Originally posted by Utrigita
Uatu imo, the fact that the Celestials even though they have judged against the Watcher race still haven't defeated/killed them is a rather nice indication of the power the watchers have at their disposal.
Good post I had never thought of that. That does knock the Watchers up a few pegs. Uatu can beat Odin. The Celestials were able to give the god patheons a very hard time.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Sure Proctor has enslaved him :-)
Maybe the context where Proctor explains that he found Ute drifting around as the sole survivor as his timeline, his brain deeply damaged and his body broken?
"Enslaving" a being that can't fight back is hardly a feat imo.
However the fact that a Watcher survived as the only being in his timeline is, imo, a good feat for the watchers not exactly a bad one.
Edit: Proctor further referes to Ute as He-Who-Dreams, adding to the idea that the Watcher still is not aware of his surroundings.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Maybe the context where Proctor explains that he found Ute drifting around as the sole survivor as his timeline, his brain deeply damaged and his body broken?"Enslaving" a being that can't fight back is hardly a feat imo.
However the fact that a Watcher survived as the only being in his timeline is, imo, a good feat for the watchers not exactly a bad one.
Edit: Proctor further referes to Ute as He-Who-Dreams, adding to the idea that the Watcher still is not aware of his surroundings.
He becomes aware though long before Proctor dies when Sersi hits Proctor with the sword... He is still enslaved till Proctor dies.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
He becomes aware though long before Proctor dies when Sersi hits Proctor with the sword... He is still enslaved till Proctor dies.
Enslavement would mean that Proctor captured Ute against his will and forcefully made Ute obey his will, nothing however suggest the first (everything points against it actually) and little, if nothing points, towards the second, because Ute is still having a physically broken body and a badly damaged brain that Proctor mentions he is only peeking through, iirc, as a result of Ute at the point in the comic where you scan is from is still unaware of his surroundings, hence the He-Who-Sleeps comment from Proctor.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Enslavement would mean that Proctor captured Ute against his will and forcefully made Ute obey his will, nothing however suggest the first (everything points against it actually) and little, if nothing points, towards the second, because Ute is still having a physically broken body and a badly damaged brain that Proctor mentions he is only peeking through, iirc, as a result of Ute at the point in the comic where you scan is from is still unaware of his surroundings, hence the He-Who-Sleeps comment from Proctor.
No, enslavement could mean his power served Proctor and Ute told Sersi what she needed to do, he struggled against Proctors control but could not break it till Proctor was dead where he repaired things.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Enslavement would mean that Proctor captured Ute against his will and forcefully made Ute obey his will, nothing however suggest the first (everything points against it actually) and little, if nothing points, towards the second, because Ute is still having a physically broken body and a badly damaged brain that Proctor mentions he is only peeking through, iirc, as a result of Ute at the point in the comic where you scan is from is still unaware of his surroundings, hence the He-Who-Sleeps comment from Proctor.
No, enslavement could mean his power served Proctor and Ute told Sersi what she needed to do, he struggled against Proctors control but could not break it till Proctor was dead where he repaired things. Oh, and died!
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes because being one shotted by someone that was able to permanently kill beings that death said were unkillable is such a low feat 🙄.
That's like ca with the surfer and with Galactus these guys get fooled all the time don't let a few feats fool you. I don't use pis as an excuse Rulk crushed him.Thor never had all of the odinpower and Odin isn't Thor. Thor unlike Watcher though beat the snot out of rulk right after.
Odin wrecks.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
No, enslavement could mean his power served Proctor and Ute told Sersi what she needed to do, he struggled against Proctors control but could not break it till Proctor was dead where he repaired things. Oh, and died!
Enslavement would mean to force someone into slavery, was Ute forced into slavery? No, he was taken in a unconsious state and made a prisoner and then exploited, the two things can hardly be considered the same. And why on Earth would Proctor find a Watcher from a alternate universe that was already weakened if he could have just grapped a watcher from his own reality? Fact is that he couldn't because he didn't have the power to fight a Watcher at full strength, hence why his is relevant to Odin vs Uatu I can't quite see, unless you think that Odin could have survived the destruction of a given universe, emerge as the sole survivor and then have been in perfect condition.
Was Proctor actively channeling into Ute's power in order to increase his own? That would be strange if as you claim Proctor had the power to enslave Ute, why tap into the power of a inferior being?
Oh so a wather with a broken body and badly damaged brain who had just survived the destruction of his universe, and still have to power to tell Sersi what to do, while simultaniously fight Proctor is weak? This is getting better.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Enslavement would mean to force someone into slavery, was Ute forced into slavery? No, he was taken in a unconsious state and made a prisoner and then exploited, the two things can hardly be considered the same. And why on Earth would Proctor find a Watcher from a alternate universe that was already weakened if he could have just grapped a watcher from his own reality? Fact is that he couldn't because he didn't have the power to fight a Watcher at full strength, hence why his is relevant to Odin vs Uatu I can't quite see, unless you think that Odin could have survived the destruction of a given universe, emerge as the sole survivor and then have been in perfect condition.Was Proctor actively channeling into Ute's power in order to increase his own? That would be strange if as you claim Proctor had the power to enslave Ute, why tap into the power of a inferior being?
Oh so a wather with a broken body and badly damaged brain who had just survived the destruction of his universe, and still have to power to tell Sersi what to do, while simultaniously fight Proctor is weak? This is getting better.
I'd take all of that; particularly, the bit about what 'enslavement' means; if your English were better and in your profile quote- you spelt 'knowledge' correctly. We're talking about Watchers not Wathers whatever the hell they are pal.