Originally posted by Bentley
Well, they have the better feats don't they?
Lol...no.
Using your argument, Grundy, Shaggyman, Deathstroke, along with 100's of others would be Skyfather since they have taken it to the JLA before. Hell, Superman and Wonder Woman would be skyfather. Uh-Uh... I can do better... Batman would be a skyfather. Black Adam would be skyfather and Mindless Hulk would be skyfather level as well. No, I can do better... Magneto would be skyfather...ok, ok, wait a sec, Graviton would be skyfather... nope, Rogue is skyfather.
Do I need to continue?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no.Using your argument, Grundy, Shaggyman, Deathstroke, along with 100's of others would be Skyfather since they have taken it to the JLA before. Hell, Superman and Wonder Woman would be skyfather. Uh-Uh... I can do better... Batman would be a skyfather. Black Adam would be skyfather and Mindless Hulk would be skyfather level as well. No, I can do better... Magneto would be skyfather...ok, ok, wait a sec, Graviton would be skyfather... nope, Rogue is skyfather.
Do I need to continue?
I'm not saying they all win against Zeus, I mean, they also have low showings right? You just can't prove Zeus can overcome their strength level, there are still many other factors (speed, durability), which aren't messured. You just can't prove Zeus is stronger.
Originally posted by Bentley
I'm not saying they all win against Zeus, I mean, they also have low showings right? You just can't prove Zeus can overcome their strength level, there are still many other factors (speed, durability), which aren't messured. You just can't prove Zeus is stronger.
I don't need to prove that Zeus is stronger... he is a freaking Skyfather. I can prove that WWH is stronger than every last one of the people that I named and WWH was DESTROYED by Zeus.
If you are saying that they are stronger due to taking on teams, Hulk has been doing that his entire career. They are not in Zeus tier... not even close.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't need to prove that Zeus is stronger... he is a freaking Skyfather. I can prove that WWH is stronger than every last one of the people that I named and WWH was DESTROYED by Zeus.If you are saying that they are stronger due to taking on teams, Hulk has been doing that his entire career. They are not in Zeus tier... not even close.
**** it.
i agree with carver. 👆
Originally posted by carver9
I don't need to prove that Zeus is stronger... he is a freaking Skyfather. I can prove that WWH is stronger than every last one of the people that I named and WWH was DESTROYED by Zeus.If you are saying that they are stronger due to taking on teams, Hulk has been doing that his entire career. They are not in Zeus tier... not even close.
Yeah, of course, Zeus should be stronger than non-skyfathers right? Except there are several heralds that work at skyfather level at times, it happens, power-status aren't fixed from one skyfather to another. Also it matters not in this case, DS is a skyfather, THE skyfather, not counting Odin.
The teams Hulk has owned cannot be compared to Superman + Captain Marvel. Hulk failed to hurt Zeus, but he has failed to hurt Surfer before, you cannot just assume he is the end of all herald strengths out there.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, of course, Zeus should be stronger than non-skyfathers right? Except there are several heralds that work at skyfather level at times, it happens, power-status aren't fixed from one skyfather to another. Also it matters not in this case, DS is a skyfather, THE skyfather, not counting Odin.The teams Hulk has owned cannot be compared to Superman + Captain Marvel. Hulk failed to hurt Zeus, but he has failed to hurt Surfer before, you cannot just assume he is the end of all herald strengths out there.
Huh?
When has WWH faced Surfer?
Darkseid lost his title as a skyfather a long time ago.
What Heralds has skyfather feats?
Darkseid has been stalemated by Orion, beaten on by Doomsday, lost to Superman and was dipped into the source wall. That doesn't sound like a Skyfather to me. Skyfather toys with Heralds. Darkseid isn't "consistent" enough to be a skyfather.
Mindless Hulk was taking it to the Avengers while dieing... again, taking on teams isn't the benchmark for power when you have low to mid heralds doing this. Hell, Wolverine on more than one occassion has taken on teams along with Spidey and they are struggling to stay in the meta class.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, of course, Zeus should be stronger than non-skyfathers right? Except there are several heralds that work at skyfather level at times, it happens, power-status aren't fixed from one skyfather to another. Also it matters not in this case, DS is a skyfather, THE skyfather, not counting Odin.The teams Hulk has owned cannot be compared to Superman + Captain Marvel. Hulk failed to hurt Zeus, but he has failed to hurt Surfer before, you cannot just assume he is the end of all herald strengths out there.
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Originally posted by Bentleythe thing is I'm not even sure he qualifies as a skyfather. high trans, sure, but there are lots of more powerfull bonafide syfathers out there. I wasnt talking exposition.
Dude, who else is the second skyfather then? Shazam? Zeus? They have about three feats!Am I forgetting someone obvious? 😕
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, of course, Zeus should be stronger than non-skyfathers right? Except there are several heralds that work at skyfather level at times, it happens, power-status aren't fixed from one skyfather to another. Also it matters not in this case, DS is a skyfather, THE skyfather, not counting Odin.The teams Hulk has owned cannot be compared to Superman + Captain Marvel. Hulk failed to hurt Zeus, but he has failed to hurt Surfer before, you cannot just assume he is the end of all herald strengths out there.
Is it that they operate at those levels or as the hero they have to win in the end?
Not weighing in on DS, but I have a hard time believing that Thanos is a skyfather. Weigh him against others in that class (Odin, Shazam, Mordru, etc.) and he just falls short, IMO. High-end trans, yes. Skyfather? Not yet. Doesn't have the feats to suggest that.
EDIT: *Enough feats, that is, because he's got some skyfather feats.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Not weighing in on DS, but I have a hard time believing that Thanos is a skyfather. Weigh him against others in that class (Odin, Shazam, Mordru, etc.) and he just falls short, IMO. High-end trans, yes. Skyfather? Not yet. Doesn't have the feats to suggest that.
i dont think he is skyfather either but i would put him above Darkseid.
Originally posted by carver9*shrugs* Don't know where I stand on that one (which is why I won't speak to standard DS's level of power--I genuinely don't know). He's been weaksauced a lot in the past, which may be why he was made to be such a monster in FC, to compensate for that and show that DS is supposed to be somebody that's far above any character period.
i dont think he is skyfather either but i would put him above Darkseid.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Is it that they operate at those levels or as the hero they have to win in the end?
Well, Superman -an example we can discuss-, really has some consistency behind his crazy feats. No other herald works at his level as often -of course, he has exposition going on for him, but his feats are very high-. He has operated in very high levels a number of times, which IMO, doesn't mean he can beat an Skyfather in a random encounter, but is proven by history.
Of course the hero has to win in the end, that doesn't make feats dissapear, when they are consistent.
Originally posted by Bentley
Huh, why? Not to rain on Thanos's parade, but he hasn't that many impressive feats.
Consistentcy.
I can never picture Thanos getting grabbed, carried to the sun and beat on until his body went limp by a Herald. Odin didn't even have the luxury of treating Thanos like that. Hell, Galactus didn't even treat Thanos like that.