Panel 1: No rocks floating behind him.
Panel 2: Definitely flies out of the sun. I don't even see how the art can be interpreted differently tbh, given the fact that it had been stated he was drifting into it. /shrug
Was he in the heart of the sun? No. Was the sun going nova? No (admittedly, I used to believe it was until the narration finally clicked.) Was he within the outer layers of the sun? Absolutely.
Galan, seriously? Cropping up the last two panels to make a point when seen in its entirety it paints a completely different picture?
He wakes up in the second panel and starts talking (rocks around him, the sun behind)
He continues talking in the 3rd panel (rocks around him, sun behind him)
Comes the final 4th panel, where he continues the same monologue, with a close-up of his face (where, obviously, there aren't big rocks floating about, but the sun can still be clearly seen behind)
Are you trying to say that between the 3rd and 4th panel he got drifted inside the sun - eventough he was now awake, and eventough these 2 panels contain the same monologue with virtually no time passed between the sentences - just because you can't see rocks floating in a close-up?
Am I still talking to Galan right now?
You are the one who put emphasis on "floaty rocks". In the 4th panel, there are no "floaty rocks" behind Bill. Not one. This implies that he was VERY close to the sun at that point(if not already IN the sun.) In the 5th panel he CLEARLY flies out of of the sun. Clearly, as in, not debatable.
Crikey, look how far away from the sun he was in the first scan:
Cut to the second scan, and he is now extremely close to it:
He was [obviously] drifting toward the sun quite rapidly. Dunno why you think it's such a stretch to think he ultimately drifted inside it..?
Originally posted by Galan007The fourth panel is a close-up of Bill's face, which comes literally a second at worst after the 3rd panel, where he's surrounded by fragments. Just because you can't see rocks behind him in this considerably different perception and visual field, doesn't mean he went from being outside the sun, to inside of it, in the time it took him to go from "Who is there?" to "A signal!".
You are the one who put emphasis on "floaty rocks". In the 4th panel, there are no "floaty rocks" behind Bill. Not one. This implies that he was VERY close to the sun at that point. In the 5th panel he CLEARLY flies out of of the sun. Clearly, as in, not debatable.Crikey, look how far away from the sun he was in the first scan:
Cut to the second scan, and he is now extremely close to it:
He was [obviously] drifting toward the sun quite rapidly. Dunno why you think it's such a stretch to think he ultimately drifted inside it..?
In the first scan he is away from the sun, and then closer in the second, because he was unconscious, and drifting towards it. In the second panel of the second scan he regains consciousness, starts monologuing, and has no reason to keep drifting towards it - and the art between the remaining panels don't depict otherwise. I'm not sure why you need me to explain this to you, when it's obvious.
^ So you are assuming he stopped drifting toward the sun despite based on what, exactly? I saw no art, nor did I read any narration, that was indicative of such.
All that's obvious is what I've been pointing out:
-It was stated that Bill was drifting toward the sun.
-Between the first and second scans, he covered a LOT of distance between he and the sun. A. LOT.
-Bill obviously never stopped floating toward the sun. Regaining consciousness is meaningless. Bill is a herald-leveler. He can endure sun-level heat. Why would he be scared of drifting into the sun? You think Thor would be killed by the sun?
-Bill CLEARLY flew out of the sun. This is absolutely unarguable, and moreover, supports my interpretation. You are ignoring that panel entirely.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftApparently that's the only time in Bill's career energy+a sound effect, has exploded from around him when he took off.
Bill taking off usually looks like he comes out of a sun.Dildosophia knows what I'm talking about
Srsly, I don't get how such blatant art can be argued, but w/e. It's par for the course nowadays.
Originally posted by Galan007He covered a lot of distance between the first and second scan because he was out. He stopped drifting towards the sun because the reason for doing so - him being unconscious, was no longer present. He regained his senses, and started monologuing - while on the outskirts of the sun, surrounded by pieces of floating rock.
^ So you are assuming he stopped drifting toward the sun despite based on what, exactly? I saw no art, nor did I read any narration, that was indicative of such.All that's obvious is what I've been pointing out:
-It was stated that Bill was drifting toward the sun.
-Between the first and second scans, he covered a LOT of distance between he and the sun. A. LOT.
-Bill obviously never stopped floating toward the sun. Regaining consciousness is meaningless. Bill is a herald-leveler. He can endure sun-level heat. Why would he be scared of drifting into the sun? You think Thor would be killed by the sun?
-Bill CLEARLY flew out of the sun. This is absolutely unarguable, and moreover, supports my interpretation. You are ignoring that panel entirely.
Bill doesn't need to say "dear reader, now that I have regained my consciousness, my limb body drifting towards the sun is no longer a problem" in order to reach the logical conclusion - supported by the actual art (ie. look at all of the 4 panels on the second page, as he woke up, and you won't see any difference in his distance from the sun).
Your interpretation is that Bill went from noticeable distance from the sun, to inside of it, between "Who is there?" and "A signal!", while conscious, and you used the fact that there were no visible rocks in a complete change of panel perspective - a close up, to support your argument. I'm sorry, but that was atrocious.
The last panel, as said, doesn't have to mean that he got out of the sun. If that were true, it wouldn't make sense with everything presented beforehand.
Ultimately, I don't care if Bill's buttocks touched the edge of the sun for a second before he flew off. But your interpretation of the events is wrong.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI'd like to put an emphasis on that, because some might think that I have something against Bill, here.
He wasn't IN the sun, in close proximity but that doesn't mean he couldn't go inside and survive it.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSo he wasn't flying out of the sun in the 5th panel? You're saying that energy(the SAME color as the sun, mind you) bursts from around him, accompanied by a "THOOOM!!" sound effect, every time he flies somewhere?
But your interpretation of the events is wrong.
Lol, nice. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
So he wasn't flying out of the sun in the 5th panel? You're saying that energy(the SAME color as the sun, mind you) bursts from around him, accompanied by a "THOOOM!!" sound effect, every time he flies somewhere?Lol, nice. 👆
you've been a busy little bee today. your just pissing everyone off. 😂
Well, at least you've given up trying to make it look like your position is valid from any other angle other than "the last panel made it look like he got out of the sun, and I don't care it contradicts everything else". Not that I don't support Bill shooting sunshine out of his as*hole as an argument, but the 'trail' was the same when he was just flying into space, pages later:
That's just me being an ass, but seriously now, taken by its lonesome, that last panel's superficial interpretation is that he flew out of the sun; but literally everything else taken into consideration, it doesn't make sense in what was depicted beforehand, and might aswell just been an effect of Bill simply flying out of the surface of the sun.
I'm not going to change your mind, and I really spent more time on this inconsequential matter than I, or any sane person should have.
