Originally posted by Bardock42
Well like you say in your next part "I don't get it". I do not understand how your point works as opposed to what I said it is to make it a strawman in your opinion. I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm just asking whether you could try to rephrase it to make me understand it.
I can't mostly because I don't want to and partly because you really do get it but hope to play a word game with it which is pretty much your debating style.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I understand that you think so. And I would agree if my definition of a fanboy was solely the points you brought up (i.e. Sci-Fi, Geeky, Liking it more than general population). All of that is correct, and I accept your label of fanboy. It just is not the one that I was using when I made my initial post, which you replied to.Cool. So we agree that you are a fanboy because you:
"A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces."
Because you'd rather deny the label, maintain your love of Firefly, and argue about it for several pages. 🙂
[QUOTE=13384119]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Hmm, I think I see now more what your point is. I don't agree with it, I believe that the level of a fanboy is the same for Star Trek, Star Wars and Firefly. The popularity to me just usually means that there are more fanboys that cross the line from ordinary fan.
I disagree as some Star Wars fanboys that I know personally had never heard of Firefly.
They are definitely not the same. Firefly is much more niche sci-fi, which makes it much easier to become a fanboy of.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree, I feel like I am using a definition that is generally applied for the "word" fanboy that separates it from the word "fan". I feel like your definition does not have any sufficient part to separate it from an ordinary fan.
Incorect: you are using parts of the definitions of fanboy and not applying all elements to yourself.
"A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces."
"1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not. "
That definition, alone, should make you a fanboy as it is one of the most popular on UD. By some definitions, Firefly "sucked" because it didn't do well enough to stay on air.
Basically, you either like the show a lot or you don't like it. It appears that you are either a fanboy of the show or do not like the show with very little inbetween. It garnered lots of DVD sales and has a very strong "cultish" following to it. Simply having a strong like for the show automatically makes you a low-level fanboy of it. Considering it one of the greatest modern shows makes you, quite easily, a fanboy.
To continue:
"2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like."
By that definition, I could almost be a fanboy because I'm calling you a fanboy for liking the show so much. 🙂 I don't hate the show and I don't even dislike it...it just wasn't that great.
"Someone far beyond a simple fan."
"A person who loves something without question."
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with that, yes.
You had better or I would punch you in your Firefly DVD collection.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with the latter, the former I disagree with. Not everyone liking something geeky is a fanboy in my mind. They again have to cross a certain line, like you said towards a superiority complex.
So you agree with latter because I did clarify what I meant by that. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
I suppose I would agree about the sports thing, yes. But geeky subject is a necessary condition, not a sufficient one for being a fanboy (which is what I think you claim when you said "it has to be something geeky " as a sufficient requirement (since you separated it with "or"😉)
Yes, you agree with me and the Urban Dictionary consensus. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree. I think that in general usage the label would not apply. In your usage it does, and I am fine with that. I can freely state that "I am a Firefly fanboy, with the word fanboy defines as dadudemon defined it."
I disagree. Because you have tried so hard to deny your fanboy status of the show, you also have created another element that counts towards you being a fanboy.
The general usage label applies to you much more readily than the other labels, of course.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Disagree.
Incorrect. You want some of the definitions to apply to both of our use and only want one version to apply to my usage. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. If one definition fits, then you are a fanboy by that definition. You've admitted to that point, already, so I don't see why you continue to disagree.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Disagree. In my opinion it is mainly defined through how they behave, rather than how much they like something.
I disagree: it's both how they behave, how much they like something, or one or the other.
Meaning, it can be A, B, or A and B to make you a fanboy.
If you step into someone's house and they have a wall full of Star Wars figurines (true story of someone I know really well), they are a fanboy. They do not have to argue about it, they do not have to talk about it: their obsession already has given them away as a fanboy. Also, there are different degrees of obsession from zealous pursuit to unhealthy preoccupation.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It does not offend me. I understand that RJ is basically "reclaiming" the word, he has been called fanboy a lot and now comes out with "Yeah? So what". I understand that and I don't find it offensive at all. I just don't think he's using it in the original meaning which is derogatory (ergo "reclaiming"😉. The one he uses I believe has more to do with "obsession", which too, again, is fair enough, I just don't think I am obsessed with any series to a degree to apply this, again different, label.
If it doesn't offend you, why do you defend yourself so hardcore? (That's a rhetorical question of which we both know the answer which is multiple in nature.)
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think what you are implying about me is accurate.
Of course because you view those labels as unfavorable when you've already indirectly implied them which is a contradiction and makes you fickle. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'll just give you the last word, dadudemon.
Okay, thanks.
(Note: I just got the last word by replying to your "I'm giving you the last word" post. I win the argument and I got the last word. I have double pwn.)
And, nah: you already gave me the last word by saying that at least some of the definitions flying around would make you a fanboy. In other words, you admitted to being a fanboy without having to state that you were a rabid fanboy.
Fair enough.
I'd like to submit that if I qualify as a fanboy of Firefly there are more things I'd qualify for in the same definition, much more. Star Wars for one I own much more merchandise of star wars (addmitedly there is much more merchandise), I only own two Firefly comics. I'm also more of a fanboy of The Smiths (if that counts, they are not that niche, but I was very obsessed with them). I'd also say "Gothic" cause like no one has heard of it, and I think it's the greatest game ever created. Probably more can't think of any right now.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough.I'd like to submit that if I qualify as a fanboy of Firefly there are more things I'd qualify for in the same definition, much more. Star Wars for one I own much more merchandise of star wars (addmitedly there is much more merchandise), I only own two Firefly comics. I'm also more of a fanboy of The Smiths (if that counts, they are not that niche, but I was very obsessed with them). I'd also say "Gothic" cause like no one has heard of it, and I think it's the greatest game ever created. Probably more can't think of any right now.
Holy shit, yes you're a fanboy of that stuff.
I don't own any merchandise (which is the same with the vast majority of the population) for any media. To clarify, I barely own any DVDs or Blu-Rays, as it is because I can't watch something more than once.
When I got the "special collectors edition" of Tron Legacy, I gave my son the high-quality metal Bike that came with it. I bought the special edition because it was the same price as the regular Blu-Ray edition. So I figured, why not buy the special edition blu-ray and give my son the toy WHILE getting some more bonus features for free?
But, that's the closest I've ever come to perusing something geeky into a fanboy level.
Also, your taste in games is not that bad.
So I may have to check out this game you praise so much.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit, yes you're a fanboy of that stuff.I don't own any merchandise (which is the same with the vast majority of the population) for any media. To clarify, I barely own any DVDs or Blu-Rays, as it is because I can't watch something more than once.
When I got the "special collectors edition" of Tron Legacy, I gave my son the high-quality metal Bike that came with it. I bought the special edition because it was the same price as the regular Blu-Ray edition. So I figured, why not buy the special edition blu-ray and give my son the toy WHILE getting some more bonus features for free?
But, that's the closest I've ever come to perusing something geeky into a fanboy level.
Also, your taste in games is not that bad.
So I may have to check out this game you praise so much.
I don't own many DVDs, if I own merchandise of something it is usually comics, because I enjoy comics a lot (I could accept the label for comics) and it is an extension of the storyline. When I was younger I'd buy action figures sometimes.
Oh I'm also more of a "fanboy" by your definition of Batman, Lucifer, Sandman, The Books of Magic and Hellblazer than Firefly, odd I'd forget those things.
And thank you on the compliment of my taste in video games. I don't think you will enjoy Gothic though, it's not without faults and it is 10 years old (you seem to be very much into high end graphics (at least in movies 😛)) and the localization for the US is supposedly mediocre.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh I'm also more of a "fanboy" by your definition of Batman, Lucifer, Sandman, The Books of Magic and Hellblazer than Firefly, odd I'd forget those things.
Yeah, dude, some of those items were the very ones listed on UD. 😆
Originally posted by Bardock42
And thank you on the compliment of my taste in video games. I don't think you will enjoy Gothic though, it's not without faults and it is 10 years old (you seem to be very much into high end graphics (at least in movies 😛)) and the localization for the US is supposedly mediocre.
You have pegged me, correctly.
I like "pretty" games that are nice all around.
However, there are some retro games that are so badass that they are still awesome even today.
I definitely will take a look at Gothic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, dude, some of those items were the very ones listed on UD. 😆