Frank castle VS dick grayson

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Frank puts up a hell of a match because of his incredible damage soak but Dicks speed/agility is pretty damn ridiculous in its own right.

So he faster than Daredevil, Deadpool, Kraven II and Daken, guys who are officially superhuman. Punisher pulled off some crazy accurate feat against Spiderman while being severly sleep deprived and badly beaten. Punisher has got some impressive speed feats as well, hes got at least one comparable to Batgirl if not better.

Whats Grayson done that makes him so good now?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Frank has a single win over Cap, but you are correct that is the general depiction of the two. Frank idolizes Cap more than Spider-man, he doesn't want to fight him in any capacity. I remember once in the 90s he thought to himself something like "Either start shooting or just surrender, you can't beat him in a fight." But that's the case for virtually every human street. Frank's even tanked a shield ricochet off his temple and kept fighting.

I don't remember that. Anyway that was Punisher under Fraction, Punisher has actually shot Cap twice so you wonder why Fraction suddenly decided to make Frank act like that.

Grayson has done well evading Slade many times. I'm pretty sure he can do the same to Punisher. I didn't read the op, but if he is under these circumstances, Punisher has a much better chance in closed quarters. If it's a run in the mil fight, Grayson would get a majority.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Grayson has done well evading Slade many times. I'm pretty sure he can do the same to Punisher. I didn't read the op, but if he is under these circumstances, Punisher has a much better chance in closed quarters. If it's a run in the mil fight, Grayson would get a majority.

Thats a shame because Punisher is better at using guns than DS. Punisher has no trouble punching and shooting people faster than NW. He's got no advantage.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats a shame because Punisher is better at using guns than DS. Punisher has no trouble punching and shooting people faster than NW. He's got no advantage.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Heh.

Well he might have one but I haven't seen any proof. You're the smartest man alive lets see some.

Originally posted by Deadline
Well he might have one but I haven't seen any proof. You're the smartest man alive lets see some.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
U just a little mad?

Yea sure, why not.

heart says dickie, but brain says likely frank..... i think it's a lot closer than srank does though and dick could take some.

Dick Grayson, and hes Batman now btw not Nightwing

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Frank has spent his career fighting the best Marvel has to offer. He has wins over Cap, Wolverine and Daredevil, alternatively Dick as been stomped by virtually any martial artist worth their own body weight. Punisher has more than half a dozen close fights with Daredevil under his belts, and DD is for all intensive purposes a faster and more agile Batman analog... but Frank can't beat Batman's protege? A protege that Batman can effortlessly tool? You must not think very much of Frank Castle.

Originally posted by godking
Name the clear purely H2H wins he has over Cap & Wolverine.

Hope he doesn't mean Marvel Knights - Wolverine and the Punisher

After giving Frank 2 free shots, Wolverine schools him. 👆
I can post the scans if people want them.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Hope he doesn't mean Marvel Knights - Wolverine and the Punisher

After giving Frank 2 free shots, Wolverine schools him. 👆
I can post the scans if people want them.

yeah please do..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yeah please do..

Will do in about 30 mins sorry got to walk the dog 🙂

If Garth Ennis was involved, I can totally believe Punisher punked Cap and Wolverine... Or just about anyone.

Huh, turns out Punisher beat Kraven, and gave a good fight to Deadpool....

Also beat some Hand ninja's h2h, claiming he was rusty.

Ok so here's Wolverine 186:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9458/wolvpunish.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5238/wolvpunish2.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8131/wolvpunish3.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9555/wolvpunish4.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/4571/wolvpunish5.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/140/wolvpunish6.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3565/wolvpunish7.jpg
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1184/wolvpunish8.jpg
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3788/wolvpunish9.jpg
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/2704/wolvpunish10.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7964/wolvpunish11.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/408/wolvpunish12.jpg
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9811/wolvpunish13.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6276/wolvpunish14.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6108/wolvpunish15.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7349/wolvpunish16.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6365/wolvpunish17.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2859/wolvpunish18.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4343/wolvpunish19.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2677/wolvpunish20.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3729/wolvpunish21.jpg

(Wolverine was just trying to find out what Castle is pissed off at him for. As soon as he knows what he wants to know, it's byebye Punisher).

Now here's Marvel Knights Wolverine and the Punisher:

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7046/wolvpunish1.jpg
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5238/wolvpunish2.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8131/wolvpunish3.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9555/wolvpunish4.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4571/wolvpunish5.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/140/wolvpunish6.jpg

Here Wolvie was defending a dude from Frank so he could be brought back to the US to testify.

I'll try to also post his fight with Wolverine in his own series (the infamous steamroller incident) in a few hours assuming anyone wants me to. If no one does, I won't bother.

Sure, let's see it.

Not sure if Punisher punking Spidey in Deadlines respect thread is indicative of Punishers skills, or just a low end showing for Spidey.

Considering that Spidey's Spider Sense lets him dodge everything from Bullseye's attacks to battery's of computer aimed lasers.

Same deal with catching Daredevil off guard with a dart gun. I mean, DD can hear heartbeats quicken and use his radar vision to instantly sense if someones pulling a gun on him, and Punisher stopped him cold? Is he super human in his drawing abilities?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Ok so here's Wolverine 186:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9458/wolvpunish.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5238/wolvpunish2.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8131/wolvpunish3.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9555/wolvpunish4.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/4571/wolvpunish5.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/140/wolvpunish6.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3565/wolvpunish7.jpg
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1184/wolvpunish8.jpg
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3788/wolvpunish9.jpg
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/2704/wolvpunish10.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7964/wolvpunish11.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/408/wolvpunish12.jpg
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9811/wolvpunish13.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6276/wolvpunish14.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6108/wolvpunish15.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7349/wolvpunish16.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6365/wolvpunish17.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2859/wolvpunish18.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4343/wolvpunish19.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2677/wolvpunish20.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3729/wolvpunish21.jpg

(Wolverine was just trying to find out what Castle is pissed off at him for. As soon as he knows what he wants to know, it's byebye Punisher).

No he wasn't trying to find anything out, if you attack Wolverine he beats you up. He only stated that he found out why Pun was so pissed that doesn't mean he was trying to find out......that was at page 9 anyway.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3788/wolvpunish9.jpg

Loads of fighting after that.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~

Now here's Marvel Knights Wolverine and the Punisher:

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7046/wolvpunish1.jpg
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5238/wolvpunish2.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8131/wolvpunish3.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9555/wolvpunish4.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4571/wolvpunish5.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/140/wolvpunish6.jpg

Here Wolvie was defending a dude from Frank so he could be brought back to the US to testify.

There was also two fights he has with Wolverine under Carl Potts in their first fight Pun was tired and didn't even know who he was.

Originally posted by cdtm
Sure, let's see it.

Not sure if Punisher punking Spidey in Deadlines respect thread is indicative of Punishers skills, or just a low end showing for Spidey.

Considering that Spidey's Spider Sense lets him dodge everything from Bullseye's attacks to battery's of computer aimed lasers.

Same deal with catching Daredevil off guard with a dart gun. I mean, DD can hear heartbeats quicken and use his radar vision to instantly sense if someones pulling a gun on him, and Punisher stopped him cold? Is he super human in his drawing abilities?

You can't keep making that argument if he keeps doing. Daredevil doesn't punch at superhuman speeds but can still hit Spiderman is that a low showing for Spiderman, thats comics.

Originally posted by Deadline

You can't keep making that argument if he keeps doing. Daredevil doesn't punch at superhuman speeds but can still hit Spiderman is that a low showing for Spiderman, thats comics.

Yes! Yes it IS a low end showing for Spiderman!

But at least DD has a broad history of bullet time feats. (if he can hit s bullet out of mid air, his punching speed should be pretty fast too..) And despite that, it's still implausible that he gives Spidey any real problems...

Put another way, it doesn't matter how many times Slade gets the better of Wally West, it's still PIS.