Are they going for the kill because superman being at his most powerful doesn't mean squat if he isn't willing to use it. There are many cases where he could utterly crush his opposition if he wanted to but due to his restrained response philosophy he doesn't. I'd say going for the kill Superman from Kirby's 4th world run actually stands a decent chance against Darkseid if not has the potential for a majority in a straight fight. Darkseid's OE is proven to do squat to superman so that removes one of his biggest guns if we're going for an outright kill and if BFR is removed that forces DS to fistfight Supes and Supes at his best has tended to shame Darkseid in a straightup match of fisticuffs.
Originally posted by 753You can't debate true Ds because we've never seen him do anything impressive on panel and Imperiex' energies failing against Superman means darkseid's screwed since he's never displayed anywhere near the level of power of Imperiex and was portrayed on panel as vastly weaker than Imperiex and a mere spectator not anyone who could physically engage him.
most powerfull encarnation of DS is an abstract even if he was incompetent. barring PIS like HV stoping the OE, DS should win either way
Originally posted by Endless MikeUnder their own powers at max potential.
Anyway this comes down to soulfire DS vs. CA Superman, and the latter wins