Rank them in strength.

Originally posted by Mindset
What are DS top feats?

The only impressive thing is breaking Kyle's hand while his force field was activated. Other than that I change my vote to
Cap
Deathstroke
Logan

unless someone here can give more strength feats for him.

But based off their definitions I would say
Logan (enhanced human>all peak humans)
DS (enhanced human>all peak humans)
Cap (pinnacle of human perfection=strongest of peak humans)

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course I do. I know Cap and Logans top feats pretty well. If we go by highest feats then

Cap=Deathstroke
Logan

If we go by average showings then
Deathstroke
Cap
Logan

Average showings of Cap/Logan>>>>Deathstroke

Even there high end feats are greater.

Originally posted by h1a8

But based off their definitions I would say
Logan (enhanced human>all peak humans)
DS (enhanced human>all peak humans)
Cap (pinnacle of human perfection=strongest of peak humans)

LOL no wonder you have this all wrong. Cap is a enhanced human and so is Slade. As Cap's definition of Peak Human has been stated to be the next step in human evolution. To say Slade enhancement is greater then that you'll need a specific quote for that, otherwise its just your opinion. And before you even bring it up no Batman's peakhuman is not the next step in human evolution.

Also this isn't about combat feats because if your going by Slade "punching" feats is going to look bad for him since Steve has feats on hurting characters like Thunderball, Wrecker, Ironman, Hulk, Hyde, Rhino, Absorbing Man, Thor.

That's why I said actually strength lifting feats. Which Steve has way to many and overall much better ones then Slade.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL no wonder you have this all wrong. Cap is a enhanced human and so is Slade. As Cap's definition of Peak Human has been stated to be the next step in human evolution. To say Slade enhancement is greater then that you'll need a specific quote for that, otherwise its just your opinion. And before you even bring it up no Batman's peakhuman is not the next step in human evolution.

Also this isn't about combat feats because if your going by Slade "punching" feats is going to look bad for him since Steve has feats on hurting characters like Thunderball, Wrecker, Ironman, Hulk, Hyde, Rhino, Absorbing Man, Thor.

That's why I said actually strength lifting feats. Which Steve has way to many and overall much better ones then Slade.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Average showings of Cap/Logan>>>>Deathstroke

Even there high end feats are greater.

I gave Cap the nod over DS for high end feats. But know that DS, with his bare hands, was strong enough to break Kyle's hand while his shield was up. Kyle's shield is one of the strongest GL shields around.
IMO, that is a class 100 feat easily.

Originally posted by h1a8

False. Average showings Logan is mostly a mere athletic human and seems the weakest of the 3. Cap is similar but seems a little stronger than Logan on average. DS ALWAYS appears to have enhanced strength for mostly he fights against super powered beings. And the rare non super powered beings he fights he either one shots or makes them look weak as hell.

I gave Cap the nod over DS for high end feats. But know that DS, with his bare hands, was strong enough to break Kyle's hand while his shield was up. Kyle's shield is one of the strongest GL shields around.
IMO, that is a class 100 feat easily.

I disagree as Logan has constant average feats like carrying Hulk, holding a falling elevator, carrying a tree, tossing a shark, and another shark, tossing a dumpster, the list goes on and on.

As both Logan/Cap have more averages and constant feats over Slade. Punching is not true lifting strength. But with that regard then yes I agree with you Cap then would be above Logan but this is not what this thread is about. If we go by punching feats(but I don't) and Logan still have more on true strength feats against Slade.

I always thought Logan's metal bones played a huge part in his punching and lifting feats.

You guys are seriously lowballing Logan.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B] SECTION 6 - RANDOM FEATS OF WOLVERINE'S STRENGTH:

Wolverine noncholantly sprains a man's hand just by gripping onto it and squeezing without even stressing himself (guess that was repeatative... too bad!):
1. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9765/crusheshandbd4.jpg

Wolverine effortlessly beats a large muscular man in an arm wrestling competition:
1. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1788/armwrestling2df1.jpg

Wolverine picks a man up with one hand and snaps his neck with the effort of that of a twig:
1. http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4963/necksnapgn9.jpg

With his bare hands, Wolverine snaps the neck of an attacking DINOSAUR:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6278/dinonecksnapgg0.jpg

Wolverine is seen curling an upwards of 300 plus pounds, while trying to forget about Sabretooth:
1. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/697/curls300pluspoundsma0.jpg

Wolverine kicks a rather well sized boulder sending it flying at an incredible rate of speed, and then proceeds to send three full grown men airborn with one punch:
1. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5039/rocktothebootkj8.jpg

Wolverine once again kicks a large sized rock at with an absurd amount of force:
1. http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2430/rocktotheboot2hd3.jpg

Wolverine lifts an enourmous tree trunk to bat away at a supernatural foe because touching them freezes him to the soul:
1. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3121/bd9a6048ps6.jpg

Wolverine effortlessly carries a moose over one shoulder like it’s a sack of potatoes... he may have climbed a mountain with it.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men40010Strength.jpg

(*repeat*) Wolverine lifts six men off the ground with one hand; Even if these men are only pushing around a buck 30 or a buck 50 Wolverine's still lifting circa 800 lbs with one hand over his head.
1. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8717/100pirates3vt4.jpg

Wolverine push presses a fairly large chunk of rock and debris in a searh for survivors of the Standford debacle:
1. http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3955/rockliftqn7.jpg

Wolverine throws a rather large sized shark out of the water at a ridiclous speed; More impressive given the fact that he did this against the tension of the water and he didn't have his feet for leverage since they were buisy helping him stay afloat:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6867/sharktossinvc5.jpg

Wolverine murauding around as Death displays tremendous strength tossing a man against the force of Storms hurricane winds:
1. http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9215/hurricwindsir5.jpg

Wolverine punches a man underwater; The force of which is so hard it sends the man into the concrete making a crater from the momentum/force:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2426/underwatercementcraterar4.jpg

Launches a hand ninja through a bolted thick steel door, and who said hand ninja were good for nothin?
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6172/1005393mr5.jpg

Wolverine runs full tilt with two grown men hanging off of him, and rams through a solid wood door shattering it to pieces.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men13403Strength.jpg

Leland increases Wolverine’s mass but the floor buckles before Wolverine does.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men13213Strength.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men13214Strength.jpg

Wolverine crushes a pipe with his grip alone.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men13217Strength.jpg

Wolverine climbs a mountain with Moria Mactaggert hanging around his neck.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12812Strength.jpg

Wolverine lifts an elevator full of people:
1. http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/161/elevatorliftqe9.jpg

Wolverine one handedly tossed a motorcycle a short distance at Mcliesh with enough force to cripple the man:
1. http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1317/motorcyclexa0.jpg

Wolverine tosses a dumpster (an estimated 1600 lbs) one handed from one side of an ally to the other sending it airborn:
1. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5372/dumpsterii9.jpg

Wolverine gets a bar hit over his head; Ignoring it's effect, he easily bends it around the neck of one of his assailants:
1. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8872/barbendix5.jpg
2. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1346/barbend2nx0.jpg

(*repeat*) Wolverine squeezes the metal vertebre of a metalic practive dummy so hard it leaves ring marks around the things neck:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg

Wolverine stops Sabretooth's superhuman punch dead cold:
1. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8549/stopssabretoothspunchxs0.jpg

Wolverine breaks out of the Chromalloy "unbreakable" shackles Dr. Lang put him in (*It's interesting to note that Wolverine's mutant readout is "NOTHING LIKE THE OTHERS" considering his new historical lineage from Jeph Loeb*):
1. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4535/shackleshu2.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2580/shackles2de6.jpg

Wolverine totally destroys a wrap of chain that was put in place to hold him:
1. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/294/blackriochainbreaknt6.jpg

After losing it, Wolverine completely shatters chains wrapped completely around him:
1. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1374/chainbreakbb4.jpg
2. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6130/chainbreak2ri5.jpg

Wolverine breaks free of Mesmero's mind control AND his "unbreakable" chains:
1. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6969/chainbreakmesmeroff4.jpg

Even though Wolverine's been put through the ringer in his 17 hour long fight from Omega Red and his short frakus with Sabretooth, even though he's barely fit to be breathing, he still finds enough resolve to completely destroy the manicles that were holding him in place when he gets pissed off:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2301/restraints2cl0.jpg
*These restraints were strong enough to hold all the other members of the X-men including Rogue and Beast.
*2.http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8681/restraintswf3.jpg

Wolverine launches Blackcat a massive distance through the air:
1. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1074/claws200603page05xs3tl9.jpg

After being left on a cross to die by the Reavers for days, baking under blistering heat, having been beaten and tortured, Wolverine finally wills himself to pry himself from the cross:
1. http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2243/reaversxkv5.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6043/reaversx2rc2.jpg

Wolverine once again destroys the metal restraints that are ment to hold him down:
1. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1200/chainspv5.jpg
2. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2388/chains2yu2.jpg

Wolverine's strapped to a blackbird jet by Sabretooth with chains; Of course he easily breaks them apart by a flex of his muscle; Apparently Sabes doesn't read too much Wolverine if he actually thought that would hold him:
1. http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4348/sabesinfernofightjk3.jpg

(*repeat*) Even though he's been stabbed and shot Wolverine still breaks out of the handcuffs Winter Soldier tries to restrict Wolverine with (what's wrong with these people? They must all come from the same group of people who are under the impression Wolverine's a peak human):
1. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7043/wintersoldier11cz8.jpg

(non 616) Wolverine tears himself free of metal bonds that Alpha Flight pinned him down with:
1. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1753/alphaowned8bm4.jpg

Wolverine shatters some chains with his bare hands.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men32532Strength.jpg

Wolverine forces his way into the Danger Room. The Danger Room is damaged and slightly bend from his grip.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men12203Strength.jpg
some strength showings as Wolverine throws a lion , rips chains bare handed, and breaks bars
1. http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9562/wolvie1shot005lp9.jpg
2. http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7255/wolvie1shot006ua5.jpg
3. http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie1shot007bx3.jpg
4. http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie1shot008ia9.jpg
5. http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie1shot009qm0.jpg
6. http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvie1shot010zk8.jpg [/B]

Jinzin's Respect thread is extremely well organized and has everything you ever need to know about Wolverine. You guys should really check it out.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I always thought Logan's metal bones played a huge part in his punching and lifting feats.

They definitely would play a factor.

Midnighter
Wolvie
Cap
Deathstroke

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I disagree as Logan has constant average feats like carrying Hulk, holding a falling elevator, carrying a tree, tossing a shark, and another shark, tossing a dumpster, the list goes on and on.

As both Logan/Cap have more averages and constant feats over Slade. Punching is not true lifting strength. But with that regard then yes I agree with you Cap then would be above Logan but this is not what this thread is about. If we go by punching feats(but I don't) and Logan still have more on true strength feats against Slade.

Those aren't average feats for they occur in less than 1% of his appearances. DS have a larger ratio of feats of strength to number of appearances.

Logan punching and kicking feats are kinda not the same as CA or DS due to his adamantium skeleton. It is like hitting someone with brass knuckles. This greatly amplifies your striking power without needing extra strength. So we can only use his striking feats ONLY IF they exceed both CA and DS (in which they don't)

How would you know a villain is stronger if he doesn't have any lifting feats? What other evidence can you go by?

I say it is reasonable to go by grappling feats first and then striking feats last. DS has almost always managed to show some type of superhuman strength in his appearances. Plus his upper level shown is far what Logan has ever shown. IMO, Logan is a 5 tonner at best and slightly above peak human on average.

Originally posted by Allankles
They definitely would play a factor.

Midnighter
Wolvie
Cap
Deathstroke

Cap is clearly stronger than Logan since his feats are greater and he was shown in comics to be stronger than him by out-muscling him by holding his wrists down against his will. Similar to how Superman was holding Diana down by her wrists.

Although Deathstroke has a high class 100 feat i would still put CA about even with him or stronger. Logan would be below the two.

Originally posted by h1a8
DS have a larger ratio of feats of strength to number of appearances.

Logan punching and kicking feats are kinda not the same as CA or DS due to his adamantium skeleton. It is like hitting someone with brass knuckles. This greatly amplifies your striking power without needing extra strength. So we can only use his striking feats ONLY IF they exceed both CA and DS (in which they don't)

How would you know a villain is stronger if he doesn't have any lifting feats? What other evidence can you go by?

I say it is reasonable to go by grappling feats first and then striking feats last. DS has almost always managed to show some type of superhuman strength in his appearances. Plus his upper level shown is far what Logan has ever shown. IMO, Logan is a 5 tonner at best and slightly above peak human on average.

I'm going to put an end to this right now. Since I'm the TS only actual lifting/breaking object for this thread. No combat feats allowed because Cap would outdue just about anybody.

You say DS has a vast amount of ratio strength feats then prove it because he really does not. No combat feats. Feats like the ones posted above for Wolverine. Or like Cap carrying recently a frigging Utility pole with a transformer.

These are true strength feats. Slade has very few, also I think your exaggerating that punch catch of the GL as I don't recall a forcefield on there.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Steve has overpowered guys like Daredevil and Punisher. Putting Nightwing down with a just a few blows? And? Batman put down Slade with one hit as well?

This is more dealing with strength and strength feats. Its no secret that he's stronger then Batman and Dick.

Just like its no secret that Steve is stronger then Daredevil and Frank.

Slade lacking of strength feats and good ones and consistent one's is why he's at the bottom of my list. Regardless of who's he defeated in combat.

But he's never really been about lifting feats.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'm going to put an end to this right now. Since I'm the TS only actual lifting/breaking object for this thread. No combat feats allowed because Cap would outdue just about anybody.

You say DS has a vast amount of ratio strength feats then prove it because he really does not. No combat feats. Feats like the ones posted above for Wolverine. Or like Cap carrying recently a frigging Utility pole with a transformer.

These are true strength feats. Slade has very few, also I think your exaggerating that punch catch of the GL as I don't recall a forcefield on there.

The weakness of this thread is that you are asking us who we think is stronger when villains have no lifting feats. If we can only use lifting feats then Logan is stronger than Thanos, which makes no sense.

DS feats are mostly in his combat, striking and jumping and such.

Clearly Kyle had the forcefield up as you saw a glowing green aura around him.

IMO, this thread is just a setup just to say DS is weaker than Logan. DS clearly has feats above 5 tons (not lifting ones though) while Logan maxes out at 5 tons tops in all of his feats. I mean if you already know who is stronger then why create this thread knowing that villains don't have lifting feats?

And of coarse you can't let that happen now can you, informed or not

Originally posted by h1a8
But know that DS, with his bare hands, was strong enough to break Kyle's hand while his shield was up. Kyle's shield is one of the strongest GL shields around.
IMO, that is a class 100 feat easily.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Yeah, it was.

Action Comics #892:

Deathstroke Vs. Lex Luthor(Battlesuit)

Slade is emotionally affected by residual black ring energy and tries to kill Lex. He overpowers him, flips him to the ground, and kicks him in the face(which still damages him despite his forcefield). He would've killed him, but they nuetralized the energy's affect before Slade could do so

While we're talking about Deathstroke's bare hands overcoming force fields...

Superman took multiple consecutive punches to breach one of Luthor's battlesuit forcefields.

Meanwhile, I want people to take a deep breath, and absorb this:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=DeathTerm-12-18.jpg

Is there a way to may the photo bigger?

Originally posted by h1a8
The weakness of this thread is that you are asking us who we think is stronger when villains have no lifting feats. If we can only use lifting feats then Logan is stronger than Thanos, which makes no sense.

DS feats are mostly in his combat, striking and jumping and such.

Clearly Kyle had the forcefield up as you saw a glowing green aura around him.

IMO, this thread is just a setup just to say DS is weaker than Logan. DS clearly has feats above 5 tons (not lifting ones though) while Logan maxes out at 5 tons tops in all of his feats. I mean if you already know who is stronger then why create this thread knowing that villains don't have lifting feats?

Well too as I have outlined what counts for strength, feel free to make your own thread and compare it with combat feats. And no I don't see a forcefield around Kyle at all. So it isn't crystal as you say. Heck by your logic I could say Cap is stronger then Logan based off his combat feats of punching.

Oh no I'm sabotaging it for Logan.....LOL. Logan has strength feats are obviously better which its too bad, they haven't given Slade many. 5 tons and I bet this is done by your calculations and for Logan as well huh? LOL.

Originally posted by Philosophía

Meanwhile, I want people to take a deep breath, and absorb this:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=DeathTerm-12-18.jpg

Absorb what a good durability feat. This is a strength feats thread.

Here even Cap has great durability feats.

Cap takes a nasty beating from a blood lusted Ironman.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann0918to3.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann0919zm0.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann0921tj0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaann0923ax6.jpg

Even worse in Civil War attacks from Spiderman/Ironman and then some.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0020ke1.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0021rz1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0022nz4.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0006hc1.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0007nc4.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0008dd0.jpg

But so what?

Originally posted by Daredevil1

Also this isn't about combat feats because if your going by Slade "punching" feats is going to look bad for him since Steve has feats on hurting characters like Thunderball, Wrecker, Ironman, Hulk, Hyde, Rhino, Absorbing Man, Thor.

I don't know much about either character, but Slade does have that famous fight with Wonder Woman.

In a dress and high heels, but it's still WW...

Slade has some straight up ludicrous feats all around. He no sold the lasso somehow in that WW fight.