^ I pretty much agree with that assessment. However, where GG and Fisto are concerned, it really depends what "best canon version" (specified in the OP) means. For instance, if we are only using the best versions of these characters, then GG's showings in TCW pretty much go out the window... Leaving only his higher feats (like stalemating Mace in sabers during Labyrinth of Evil), up for discussion.
Team 1 still wins, though.
Originally posted by ares834
GG stalemated Mace! I guess Mace isn't that good if he doesn't channel his opponent's darkness...😖hifty:
It was hardly a stalemate. Mace decided that he didn't want to contine the lightsaber battle and therefore dispatched GG by cutting a hole for him (GG) to fall through (I think). The saber portion of the fight seemed brief based on the novel's description of what hapened. Does anyone have quotes from the fight on hand?
Yeah, it happened during Labyrinth of Evil (can post the excerpt if you'd like.) Mace and Grievous were battling on top of a speeding train, which rendered Mace unable to use the force offensively, because he had to focus on maintaining a force-grip on the train. During their battle, GG was able to adapt a version of Vaapad (of which he'd never seen before) immediately after Mace began using it against him. Ultimately, Mace was still able to prevail thanks to his wits/experience - but in the (albeit momentary) duel portion of their battle, GG seemed very close to his level.
Had Mace been able to use the force, however, it wouldn't have been close at all.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai"Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long. Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries...
It was hardly a stalemate. Mace decided that he didn't want to contine the lightsaber battle and therefore dispatched GG by cutting a hole for him (GG) to fall through (I think). The saber portion of the fight seemed brief based on the novel's description of what hapened. Does anyone have quotes from the fight on hand?
As Mace already knew from Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti, Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. He could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad - - the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled...
Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, Grievous altered his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary. Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance...
Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed...
Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep. Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself? Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out..." - Labyrinth of Evil
Thanks ares834! Seems more like the tactically wise thing to do given the situation. I have no doubt that Mace would overwhelm GG in sabers if he felt that he had no other options but to continue a lightsaber duel. Either way, this was no stalemate, as Windu did away with GG (almost at will it seems). And yes, with the Force, the outcome would be obvious - Force choke anyone?
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Team 1 wins:Windu defeats Dooku, Kenobi (RotS I assume) bests Maul, and Fisto defeats Grievous (again).
Its not that simple... (+ there is no proof that Windu > Dooku, but its a diffrent story anway)
If its a big fight beetwen this 6 wariors, and not few dules, i think that tam 2 have some advantage.
1. Dooku destroys Obi-Wan with the force (like in ep3), and Windu do the same with Grievous (like CW)...
So there is Dooku and Maul vs Windu and Fisto... And now:
Even if Windu is better fencier then Dooku (in my opinion he isn't), and Dooku can't crush him with the force (in my opinion Dooku can't), Dooku still can crush Fisto. But Windu can't crush Maul... And if Dooku and Maul fight together against Windu, there is no chance for Mace...
Grevous would definately kill ob1 because the only reason ob1 won in rots is because there was all these things around for him to use when he lost his lightsaber.kit didnt defeat grevous because WHO WAS IT THAT RAN AWAY???KIT!!!!Dooku would kill fit and then they would over power mace.
So team two wins!
Originally posted by Lineael
Its not that simple... (+ there is no proof that Windu > Dooku, but its a diffrent story anway)If its a big fight beetwen this 6 wariors, and not few dules, i think that tam 2 have some advantage.
1. Dooku destroys Obi-Wan with the force (like in ep3), and Windu do the same with Grievous (like CW)...
So there is Dooku and Maul vs Windu and Fisto... And now:
Even if Windu is better fencier then Dooku (in my opinion he isn't), and Dooku can't crush him with the force (in my opinion Dooku can't), Dooku still can crush Fisto. But Windu can't crush Maul... And if Dooku and Maul fight together against Windu, there is no chance for Mace...
Good Points! And nice to see someone thinking a bit deeper than the typical A>B>C scenarios which rarely work in Star Wars anyway 👆
Your right in that Dooku and Mace's superior Force powers might just make Obi-Wan, Fisto and Grievous almost non-factors here. And then Mace would not stand a chance against 2 Sith Lords..
Originally posted by Naga Sado
Grevous would definately kill ob1 because the only reason ob1 won in rots is because there was all these things around for him to use when he lost his lightsaber.kit didnt defeat grevous because WHO WAS IT THAT RAN AWAY???KIT!!!!Dooku would kill fit and then they would over power mace.
So team two wins!
WTF? Kenobi was ripping GG a new ******* WITH A LIGHTSABER. GG decided to flee after being Force pushed. Afterwards, without his lightsaber Kenobi STILL killed GG. Kenobi did it with his saber and without his saber. Kenobi is simply a more skilled combatant. And yes, Fisto did school GG. GG then decided to have his MG's go after Fisto after realizing that he was getting wrecked by the Jedi master. You really like double standards I see.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
nice to see someone thinking a bit deeper than the typical A>B>C scenarios which rarely work in Star Wars anyway
Windu defeats Dooku, Kenobi (RotS I assume) bests Maul, and Fisto defeats Grievous (again).
^^^^ This (which is what was referenced by Lineael) isn't an A>B>C scenario.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Windu defeats Dooku, Kenobi (RotS I assume) bests Maul, and Fisto defeats Grievous (again).^^^^ This (which is what was referenced by Lineael) isn't an A>B>C scenario.
Ah but it completely ignores that this is a team on team match, and not 3 individual verses threads.
As in your assuming here that because Mace > Dooku and Kenobi > Maul, that thats exactly how it will play out. Ignoring the fact that Mace can just point his hand at GG and Crush his chest, or that Dooku can just flick his hand at Kenobi or Fisto and dispose of either one of them (not necessarily always THAT easily, but the point stands).
In a team match the 2 big dogs can completely change the outcome of the other fights.