Batman at his very best vs Dr Doom at his very best...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's exactly the same as Doom ruling the world (which he has done) or gaining omnipotence or near omnipotence (which he has done) or freeing his mother's soul (which he's done) or proving his superiority over that blasted Richards (which he's done).

Dr. Doom has succeeded just as much as Batman has and on larger scale. Doom invented winning.

Thats bull and you know it. He didn't suceed, because success would mean he gets what he wants, and this would be a permanent ominpotence. You know, forever and ever.

Batmans goal is to defeat the enemy, which he does, constantly and almost flawelessly.

Big, no huge difference.

Putting Doom against Batman is like pitting a red panda against a terror bird

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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
[B]Ok, hit a nerve. 😄

And that's why he is the supreme being of Marvel? Right? He didn't fail in the end? Right?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Thats bull and you know it. He didn't suceed, because success would mean he gets what he wants, and this would be a permanent ominpotence. You know, forever and ever.

Batmans goal is to defeat the enemy, which he does, constantly and almost flawelessly.

Big, no huge difference.

Batman's goal is to stop crime completely and utterly to the point where there doesn't need to be a Batman anymore. Which he's never done, obviously.

It's the same damn thing.

And Dr. Doom's chief goals:

1. World domination/ultimate power
2. The freedom of his mother's soul from Hell
3. The abject and complete humiliation of Reed Richards

He's succeeded in all of them, and for 1 and 3 more than once. All of which are much harder to accomplish than to keep Gotham clean from crime.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Seriously? Being the coolest Superhero ever created, EVER!

That he is!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Just like Batman rehabilitated Arkham's inmates and cleaned up Gotham and the world of crime like he swore he did? Right?

How you don't see that it's exactly the same thing is beyond me. You will never see Batman completely accomplish his mission just like you'll never see Dr. Doom utterly achieve ultimate victory permanently for the same reason.

There would be no point in making stories about them.

The difference, once again is quite visible, just open your eyes. You want to rule the world for ever, you lose it, you fail, you don't get what you want. It would be like, Batman fighting the Joker, defeating him for a split second and then being defeated in the process, with the Joker escaping. He almost won but failed in the end, That's what Doom is made of, Fail.

You want to stop criminals, you do so but more come and more a born, every day, so that's why it's an never ending battle. You succeed and you do so till the end of time. Even if he would do a punisher stunt and kill every criminal on earth, there would come new ones, right? But he suceedes and that's what it's all about success. Like he helped to defeat Darkseid, success.

In a comic fight. Doom would pull a stund boast about it and then get his ass handed to him by Batman, you know it, deep in your heart you know that this is the only way a comic fight with those two will be written.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The difference, once again is quite visible, just open your eyes. You want to rule the world for ever, you lose it, you fail, you don't get what you want. It would be like, Batman fighting the Joker, defeating him for a split second and then being defeated in the process, with the Joker escaping. He almost won but failed in the end, That's what Doom is made of, Fail.

You want to stop criminals, you do so but more come and more a born, every day, so that's why it's an never ending battle. You succeed and you do so till the end of time. Even if he would do a punisher stunt and kill every criminal on earth, there would come new ones, right? But he suceedes and that's what it's all about success. Like he helped to defeat Darkseid, success.

In a comic fight. Doom would pull a stund boast about it and then get his ass handed to him by Batman, you know it, deep in your heart you know that this is the only way a comic fight with those two will be written.

I'm opening my eyes and I can't believe this is even being discussed.

Batman wants to:

-Keep Gotham City safe from crime to a point where no one will ever have to suffer from crime like he did.

-Make the world a better place so there's no need for Batman.

-Rehabilitate the mentally ill inmates of Arkham, Joker included.

To date, he hasn't done any of that. He's succeeded a lot, but in terms of his long term goals, he's never completely achieved any of that. Simplifying Batman's goals to "just wanting to beat the bad guys" doesn't change that Batman will never accomplish his ultimate mission because if he does....

There's no more Batman.

And Batman has never failed? Really? I refer to you to Exhibit A, Jason Todd.

Too bad this isn't a comic fight and CIS is completely off. Dr. Doom annihilates Batman. Doom isn't that bustah Lex Luthor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's succeeded a lot, but in terms of his long term goals, he's never completely achieved any of that. Simplyfying Batman's goals to "just wanting to beat the bad guys" doesn't change that Batman will never accomplish his ultimate mission because if he does....

There's no more Batman.

And Batman has never failed? Really? I refer to you to Exhibit A, Jason Todd.

Too bad this isn't a comic fight and CIS is completely off. Dr. Doom annihilates Batman. Doom isn't that bustah Lex Luthor.

He succeeded a lot, you know why they call it the never ending Battle?
He makes the world a better place, yep, damn right.

Never said that he never failed, but doom always fails, he never achieves anything, he fails in the end. You know Bats has a greater goal and his way is made of success, he can't defeat the ultimate evil (though he already did once) foever but he wins almost every fight in this war. Doom on the other hand loses every fight in a war he can't win. You know if he would at least control earth for the next 10 real life years, I would say, ok he doesnt fail everytime, not the universe, no omnipotence but hey, it's Doom Comics now, not Marvel Comics but soooo.

Your opinion 🙂.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He succeeded a lot, you know why they call it the never ending Battle?
He makes the world a better place, yep, damn right.

Never said that he never failed, but doom always fails, he never achieves anything, he fails in the end. You know Bats has a greater goal and his way is made of success, he can't defeat the ultimate evil (though he already did once) foever but he wins almost every fight ins this war. Doom on the other hand loses every fight in a war he can't win. You know if he wuld at least control earth for the next 10 real life years, I would say, ok he doesnt fail everytime, not the universe, no omnipotence but hey, it's Doom Comics now, not Marvel Comics but soooo.

Your opinion 🙂.

He succeeds a lot, sure, but he's never going to "win". That's just the nature of heroes and villains in comics, a medium which spans decades and decades. There'd be no point on continuing stories, so outside of a What-If/Elseworld/Alternate Timeline/Parallel Reality, its not going to happen for either Doom or Batman and stay that way.

Doom doesn't always fail. He actually permanently succeeded in one of his three major goals: freeing his mother's soul. He's proven to do things Reed can't do, which is an accomplishment in of itself. He's kicked the asses of almost every major hero in the Marvel Universe. He rules his own country which he's single handedly developed into a super power the likes of which no country wants open war with in fear of Doom obliterating them. Dr. Doom is probably the most successful villain in Marvel and arguably one of the most successful in comics.

The argument for Batman applies to Doom here as well.

In conclusion, Batman will never rid Gotham, much less the world, of crime completely, which is stated and shown through out his entire history of comics to be his ultimate goal. Dr. Doom will never completely and permanently subjugate the world under his iron fist. And it's for the same reason.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He succeeds a lot, sure, but he's never going to "win". That's just the nature of heroes and villains in comics, a medium which spans decades and decades. There'd be no point on continuing stories, so outside of a What-If/Elseworld/Alternate Timeline/Parallel Reality, its not going to happen for either Doom or Batman and stay that way.

Doom doesn't always fail. He actually permanently succeeded in one of his three major goals: freeing his mother's soul. He's proven to do things Reed can't do, which is an accomplishment in of itself. He's kicked the asses of almost every major hero in the Marvel Universe. He rules his own country which he's single handedly developed into a super power the likes of which no country wants open war with in fear of Doom obliterating them. Dr. Doom is probably the most successful villain in Marvel and arguably one of the most successful in comics.

The argument for Batman applies to Doom here as well.

In conclusion, Batman will never rid Gotham, much less the world, of crime completely, which is stated and shown through out his entire history of comics to be his ultimate goal. Dr. Doom will never completely and permanently subjugate the world under his iron fist. And it's for the same reason.

Ok, a last try. I can't put it simpler then this.

Batman = ultimate goal, defeat all crime = impossible.

Almost every step on the way to this goal = win (defeating enemies etc.).

Doom = ultimate goal, become the supreme being forever = Impossible.

Almost every step on the way to this goal = defeat or fail (losing to heroes)

Which means.

Batman = win.

Doom = fail.

Or

Doom + win = Batman + Fail /-fail
= Batman = win

Doom + win = Batman + Fail /-win
= Doom = fail

So, you're saying that Doom >> Batman?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

Or

Doom + win = Batman + Fail /-fail
= Batman = win

Doom + win = Batman + Fail /-win
= Doom = fail

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you're saying that Doom >> Batman?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you're saying that Doom >> Batman?

die

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
die

Doom would stab Batman?

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes.

What's Batman's biggest feat which uses blatant PIS in his favor?

Not being beaten to death by Bane, only near it.

Doom controls a country while Batman cant even control a city

Originally posted by tkitna
Doom controls a country while Batman cant even control a city