Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Orochimaru's at his peak, not near-death like he was against Sasuke. In other words, current Naruto needs to be significantly more powerful than 4 Tailed-Kyuubi Naruto, to beat Orochimaru.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I think his fight against Orochimaru will be his closest.He gets stomped by Itachi, stomps A, blitzes Deidara with speed from the start, and could outlast Danzou. Though Danzou could still trap him in Genjutsu, or sacrifice one of his eyes to trap him with one of his Sealing Spells.
How does Naruto stomp A if he only has Sage Mode at the time?...unless it's prepped just like when he fought Pein.I also don't know how he'd beat a Deidera on the offensive and he'd still loose to Danzo.
Unless we're using their current forms when Naruto and Sasuke switch places. I think I missed a detail in this thread
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to say that current Naruto stomps A? He dodged a single attack, which was impressive, but not nearly enough to make a case for him "stomping" A... especially when we have testimony from Naruto's mouth that he can't survive more than a few punches from the guy.
Im' not talking about the BS dodging feat which, as you stated, contradicts Naruto's previous statement about being killed if he got hit by A. I'm talking about the BS Rasengan variant spam and abuse of clones in the (very risky)Kyuubi From along casually summoning a boss toad. Then there's the mini-Rasenshuriken which shoudln't have been possible to do if it follows the principles of the regular one.
Ehhh....the past four chapters have been chuck full of contradictions. However current Sasuke or the one the fought Danzo would beat A so there's still something worse.
Re: Naruto & Sasuke switch places
1.) Orochimaru - win. Oro can't throw anything at Naruto that Naruto hasn't already overcome in the Pein fight.
2.) Itachi - lose. Naruto would most likely get dropped by a genjutsu.
3.) Deidara - win. Deidara wouldn't even get the chance to use c3 or c4
4.) A - win.
5.) Danzou - lose. same reason he loses to Itachi.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to say that current Naruto stomps A? He dodged a single attack, which was impressive, but not nearly enough to make a case for him "stomping" A... especially when we have testimony from Naruto's mouth that he can't survive more than a few punches from the guy.
It would be if A was not a one trick pony that relies on speed and strength, and if someone is faster than him, well he has no real shot. Especially is a mini rasenshuriken exists, which would by all rights tear the armor apart.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Im' not talking about the BS dodging feat which, as you stated, contradicts Naruto's previous statement about being killed if he got hit by A. I'm talking about the BS Rasengan variant spam and abuse of clones in the (very risky)Kyuubi From along casually summoning a boss toad. Then there's the mini-Rasenshuriken which shoudln't have been possible to do if it follows the principles of the regular one.Ehhh....the past four chapters have been chuck full of contradictions. However current Sasuke or the one the fought Danzo would beat A so there's still something worse.
What contradictions? Except for the clones, there really isn't much I can think about. The one punch from A thing was a guess on Naruto's part and he is in his Kyuubi mode after all. Damage might get healed really quickly.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
What contradictions? Except for the clones, there really isn't much I can think about. The one punch from A thing was a guess on Naruto's part and he is in his Kyuubi mode after all. Damage might get healed really quickly.
The one where two people have to have an equal power output to perform a Double Lariat while Bee overpowered A's Raiton Armor in his base form. Then there's the mini-Rasenshuriken that I stated previosly that shouldn't even be possible w/o a clone even if it's on a lesser scale than the original. Or A apparently not getting any faster since he fought Minato as Jonin. Those contradictions.
Looking back Naruto did have Rasengan variants come out when using Sage Mode but at least those were plasible since he trained for those. It's barely been over a day since Naruto unlocked that new form and he's suddently super-jinjuruki?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The one where two people have to have an equal power output to perform a Double Lariat while Bee overpowered A's Raiton Armor in his base form. Then there's the mini-Rasenshuriken that I stated previosly that shouldn't even be possible w/o a clone even if it's on a lesser scale than the original. Or A apparently not getting any faster since he fought Minato as Jonin. Those contradictions.Looking back Naruto did have Rasengan variants come out when using Sage Mode but at least those were plasible since he trained for those. It's barely been over a day since Naruto unlocked that new form and he's suddently super-jinjuruki?
That simply means Bee in his base is just as strong as A. Raiton Armor doesn't increase strength as far as I know. No it's perfectly plausible. He needs two hands to do it and formed them out of chakra. So that works out. Well how much faster can lightning make you and how often would A ever encounter someone who is able to dodge his fullspeed. It's really something that doesn't need much improvement.
It's been longer than that I believe. But yeah, he has gotten very powerful very quickly. To a silly degree. Still, he mastered Sage Mode in a week, which will always be more stupid.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That simply means Bee in his base is just as strong as A. Raiton Armor doesn't increase strength as far as I know. No it's perfectly plausible. He needs two hands to do it and formed them out of chakra. So that works out. Well how much faster can lightning make you and how often would A ever encounter someone who is able to dodge his fullspeed. It's really something that doesn't need much improvement.It's been longer than that I believe. But yeah, he has gotten very powerful very quickly. To a silly degree. Still, he mastered Sage Mode in a week, which will always be more stupid.
Well Bee used his biju cloak to match A's power output when decapitating the Zetsu clone. The Raiton Armor also increases chakra output as well. As for the Rasenshuriken, even if he can perform Rasengan perfectly he still needs a clone to add wind manipulation into it. So unless Naruto can (figuratively) look left and right at the same time I don't think it's possible.
Meh....a day and ahlf perhaps. I wouldn't say mastering Sage Mode was that stupid, well compared to his proficiency at using his new form anyway...not just yet.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Bee used his biju cloak to match A's power output when decapitating the Zetsu clone. The Raiton Armor also increases chakra output as well. As for the Rasenshuriken, even if he can perform Rasengan perfectly he still needs a clone to add wind manipulation into it. So unless Naruto can (figuratively) look left and right at the same time I don't think it's possible.Meh....a day and ahlf perhaps. I wouldn't say mastering Sage Mode was that stupid, well compared to his proficiency at using his new form anyway...not just yet.
Bee was noticeably quite tired from fighting Kisame, so using the Hachibi cloak would be easier. And he is using the Kyuubi chakra for his shape and wind manipulation.
Eh, we have no idea how long it took for them to actually start the war after relocating Turtle Island.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to say that current Naruto stomps A? He dodged a single attack, which was impressive, but not nearly enough to make a case for him "stomping" A... especially when we have testimony from Naruto's mouth that he can't survive more than a few punches from the guy.
We also have a feat of him dodging A's fastest punch, and we have feats of him using new Rasengan variants and a mini-Rasenshuriken.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
calm down, it's demonic phoenix 😉
Indeed. Means that that was correct, at the time. dur
Also, Aura had pretty much the same view as me, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't think it's a "stomp". He dodged an attack, but that really doesn't prove he is 100% faster. Sasuke was slower than Itachi but still dodged his attacks plenty of times. There are all sorts of cases of people dodging attacks by people with superior speed. That said, they are at least on equal footing. A still has a strength advantage. Naruto has more techniques and has the elemental advantage. I give Naruto the win but it's not a stomp at all.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You were.Indeed. That is why you were correct. Orochimaru is obviously stronger than A based on what we've seen. 😖hifty:
I know.
I was correct because you shared my opinion? 😛
Seriously though, if Orochimaru can survive Tsunade's punches, he should be able to tank A's no problem. awesome
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think it's a "stomp". He dodged an attack, but that really doesn't prove he is 100% faster. Sasuke was slower than Itachi but still dodged his attacks plenty of times. There are all sorts of cases of people dodging attacks by people with superior speed. That said, they are at least on equal footing. A still has a strength advantage. Naruto has more techniques and has the elemental advantage. I give Naruto the win but it's not a stomp at all.
It doesn't prove he's faster in speed, but it does prove that he has no problems reacting to and dodging, A's fastest punch. He still cannot take A's punches head-on, but he can avoid them.