Originally posted by dmills
Damn Jake I wish you'd have been around for the Iron Man vs np debate. It have been nice to have someone repping Tony well.My first thought on this fight was that Conner wins handily. But after reading some of Jake's posts I'll have to take a fresh look at Tony.
NP?
Yeah, I mean, I don't want people to miscontrue me; it's a tough fight for Tony and Kon's TTK is a b1tch, but really, based on what Iron Man has done with inferior armors against legitimate top tiers, you really can't count him out so quickly.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
NP?Yeah, I mean, I don't want people to miscontrue me; it's a tough fight for Tony and Kon's TTK is a b1tch, but really, based on what Iron Man has done with inferior armors against legitimate top tiers, you really can't count him out so quickly.
Rich Rider.
So I've learned 🙂
Originally posted by dmills
Rich Rider.So I've learned 🙂
Oh, okay, gotcha.
Honestly, I think someone with Rich's power should be pretty damn beastly all things considered. Kinda an example of the mid-herald with the high herald power set. I think he gets a clear majority over Iron Man, but based on the armor, Tony could make those wins difficult.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, okay, gotcha.Honestly, I think someone with Rich's power should be pretty damn beastly all things considered. Kinda an example of the mid-herald with the high herald power set. I think he gets a clear majority over Iron Man, but based on the armor, Tony could make those wins difficult.
The bottleneck was that Tony (and I kinda happen to agree with this) has superior showings vs top tiers, similar to what's being argued here.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think we'll have to disagree on that, then. Tony's packed firepower to stagger beings such as Loki, Surfer, Hulk, and Thor in inferior models, all of whom I'd wager having durability or defensive measures superior to that of Conner. Coupled with sonics, his own form of "spider-sense", technopathy, and ability to amp power levels, I think Tony has the tools to take this in a slight majority.
Conner would stagger all those people as easily -and some may not have more durability than he has-. I mean, sure, Iron Man can hurt him; but it's still not something easily done using IM's tech. Keep in mind that most of Tony's improvements were slight boosts and Conner retains his higher status, spider-sense is good against slowpokes like Crimson Dynamo, but Conner's speed outclasses even Tony's and technopathy isn't going to matter either.
IM's power increase is going to be marginal where it matters, unless you can prove his energy output was vastly increased.
Originally posted by Bentley
Conner would stagger all those people as easily -and some may not have more durability than he has-. I mean, sure, Iron Man can hurt him; but it's still not something easily done using IM's tech. Keep in mind that most of Tony's improvements were slight boosts and Conner retains his higher status, spider-sense is good against slowpokes like Crimson Dynamo, but Conner's speed outclasses even Tony's and technopathy isn't going to matter either.IM's power increase is going to be marginal where it matters, unless you can prove his energy output was vastly increased.
Iron Man's technopathy gives him access to virtually every satellite, computer network, and energy source in the world. I'd say it's something that bears consideration. He can swarm Kon with summoned armors from his Armory. And his offensive options are so incredibly varied, it's mind boggling. To say nothing of his durabilty both with and w/o shields.
I mean, prior to Extremis, I'd say Tony's firepower as a whole is enough to damage Kon and best him provided he keeps it on, so I guess we'll have to disagree there.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man's technopathy gives him access to virtually every satellite, computer network, and energy source in the world. I'd say it's something that bears consideration. He can swarm Kon with summoned armors from his Armory. And his offensive options are so incredibly varied, it's mind boggling. To say nothing of his durabilty both with and w/o shields.I mean, prior to Extremis, I'd say Tony's firepower as a whole is enough to damage Kon and best him provided he keeps it on, so I guess we'll have to disagree there.
I feel that you're just assuming that Tony has increased his power enough to beat Conner -who beats him in status- in a reliable fashion, when we have not much prove of how much Tony's upgrade will work in his favor in a similar matchup. We can't speculate that his upgrade would get him wins all over the place.
Regarding technopathy, I'm unsure if he can actually use it in this matchup, but it would certainly give him a fighting chance if it did.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man's technopathy gives him access to virtually every satellite, computer network, and energy source in the world. I'd say it's something that bears consideration. He can swarm Kon with summoned armors from his Armory. And his offensive options are so incredibly varied, it's mind boggling. To say nothing of his durabilty both with and w/o shields.I mean, prior to Extremis, I'd say Tony's firepower as a whole is enough to damage Kon and best him provided he keeps it on, so I guess we'll have to disagree there.
This isn't the Marvel Universe, though, unless I missed a post specifying so.
unless tony knows what he's up against here or has his shields up Conner could simply disassemble the armor via Touch TK.
If tony knows what hes up against here i believe Iron Man takes it by slight
If Tony knows nothing about Conner before hand then Conner will take the majority but still has to put up a decent fight