Imo, the idea of Moore's Miracleman was better than the actual series. Personally, I just don't think it stands the test of time (it's a lot like Watchmen in that regard.) I still think it's an okay read, but I definitely wouldn't want to read it regularly. Gaiman's Miracleman, however, was very well done, and still holds up well.
*dodges random objects being thrown*
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, the idea of Moore's Miracleman was better than the actual series. Personally, I just don't think it stands the test of time (it's a lot like Watchmen in that regard.) I still think it's an okay read, but I definitely wouldn't want to read it regularly. Gaiman's Miracleman, however, was very well done, and still holds up well.*dodges random objects being thrown*
Throws several random objects.
Let's look at Miracleman shall we.
It was originally written as a black and white strip and was a deconstructionist take on the old UK Marvelman strip. Many people criticise Moore for being a one trick pony and generally using the 'Nothing is true' conspiracy plot for most of his comics. John Byrne (a bitter guy) has done this more than once. At times Moore is a hack, he undoubtedly lifts the rape scene of Johnny Bates from the film version of Scum in both dialogue and situation. So, is Miracleman that good? Let's put it in context, set against the early eighties, the Thatcher and Reagan led political scene, the cold war and the mistrust of our Governments- which has continued growing to this day; It is simply- ground breaking. Issue 15 changed how comic book fights are seen and everything from Supreme Power to Griffin has ripped it off and never really matched Totlebaums art.
The Gaiman issues are more self satisfied and we have to set them in context also, Gaiman was riding high on 'Sandman', however, if we believe him and I have no reason not to; both, plots and directions were being advertised by Eclipse before he had written them.. My favourite moments probably come from issue 16, the Thatcher, UN and George Bush senior scenes with always bring me a smile. My favourite single issue is the Eponymous issue 15. It did change comics.
The interesting thing to see is how Moores style became more refined during the ten years it took for his run to be completed, if, we consider the Warrior stories (later reprinted for Eclipse) as the start of the run.
How good is Miracleman? It's that good- the most groundbreaking deconstructionist series of all time. Does it have flaws? Of course it does. I loved the Planetary take on deconstructionism where you have the thinly veiled Miracleman complaining he had had his sexuality retconned and wasn't happy. It's a valid criticism.
Cheesiest moment, the sex scene with Miraclewoman over London.
Best Gaiman story, the one where the pilgrims visit Olympus.
-W, I mean Homer.
Originally posted by xHomerxSo you don't care for it either. Glad we're on the same page.
Throws several random objects.Let's look at Miracleman shall we.
It was originally written as a black and white strip and was a deconstructionist take on the old UK Marvelman strip. Many people criticise Moore for being a one trick pony and generally using the 'Nothing is true' conspiracy plot for most of his comics. John Byrne (a bitter guy) has done this more than once. At times Moore is a hack, he undoubtedly lifts the rape scene of Johnny Bates from the film version of Scum in both dialogue and situation. So, is Miracleman that good? Let's put it in context, set against the early eighties, theThatcher and Reagan led political scene, the cold war and the mistrust of our Governments which has continued growing to this day; It is- simply ground breaking. Issue 15 changed how comic book fights are scene and everything from Supreme Power to Griffin has ripped it off and never really matched Totlebaums art.
The Gaiman issues are more self satisfied and we have to set them in context also, Gaiman was riding high on 'Sandman', however, if we believe him and I have no reason not to; both, plots and directions were being advertised by Eclipse before he had written them.. My favourite moments probably come from issue 16, the Thatcher, UN and George Bush senior scenes with always bring me a smile. My favourite singel issue is the Eponymous issue 15. It did change comics.The interesting thing to see is how Moores style became more refined during the ten years it took for his run to be completed, if, we consider the Warrior stories (later reprinted for Eclipse) as the start of the run.
How good is Miracleman? It's that good- the most groundbreaking deconstructionist series of all time. Does it have flaws? Of course it does. I loved the Planetary take on deconstructionism where you have the thinly veiled Miracleman complaining he had had his sexuality retconned and wasn't happy. It's a valid criticism.
Cheesiest moment, the sex scene with Miraclewoman over London.
Best Gaiman story, the one where the pilgrims visit Olympus.-W, I mean Homer.
g007-psyduck
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, the idea of Moore's Miracleman was better than the actual series. Personally, I just don't think it stands the test of time (it's a lot like Watchmen in that regard.) I still think it's an okay read, but I definitely wouldn't want to read it regularly. Gaiman's Miracleman, however, was very well done, and still holds up well.*dodges random objects being thrown*
I think there is some elements regarding MM that are mostly important historically than in the series on itself. I think there are many well done comics on the series even if others are lackluster -I didn't love the art in many of the issues-. It works as a self contained universe with the little cast it got, I actually went on to like more the Gaiman issues myself, but some of the work Moore did before has great issues imo.