Wally or Barry or Jay teaching them "tricks" doesn't mean much of anything nor does it push their speed anywhere close to Flash levels, and Karen doesn't have hardly much in the way of exotic speed use aside from blitzing.
A bloodlusted Thor fighting smart begins omniblasting, storm summoning, creating vortexs, BFRs, and otherwise dismantles PG about as bad as Black Adam does if not worse. Arguing for the team is one thing.
Acting like PG is going to solo is something entirely different - and hilarious.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Thor, I feel like he would fight and win but it would be really hard for him and if he was in dire need he could just BFR 1 or both of them. He could also throw down enough lighting to put down PG and WW would just be there to watch since she would have to block the attack to avoid being fried herself.
She could get between PG and the lightning. Play defense for both of them while PG blazes away with heat vision.
Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL at Thor getting the chance to do anything that could hurt PG.
Its established that all krytonians know speed tricks as well taught by the Flash.
So how is this anything but a stomp for the team.Thor can't keep up with them its just that simple
I know you hate KMC ofr creating CIS.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wally or Barry or Jay teaching them "tricks" doesn't mean much of anything nor does it push their speed anywhere close to Flash levels, and Karen doesn't have hardly much in the way of exotic speed use aside from blitzing.A bloodlusted Thor fighting smart begins omniblasting, storm summoning, creating vortexs, BFRs, and otherwise dismantles PG about as bad as Black Adam does if not worse. Arguing for the team is one thing.
Acting like PG is going to solo is something entirely different - and hilarious.
Some speed tricks involve vibrating your molecules at FTL speeds, becoming invisible, and becoming intangible. Now imagine if Karen is bloodlusted
Karen is most definitely faster then Thor and that's all the advantage she would need before she just pushes Thor's brain out of his head.
Thor needs time to do any of the things your recommending in this scenario which he won't be getting because hes going to be the one getting blitz anyway.
You mentioning Black Adam is a hilarious non factor Thor isn't as fast as him even with Mjolnir
Originally posted by SasuOna
Some speed tricks involve vibrating your molecules at FTL speeds, becoming invisible, and becoming intangible. Now imagine if Karen is bloodlustedKaren is most definitely faster then Thor and that's all the advantage she would need before she just pushes Thor's brain out of his head.
Thor needs time to do any of the things your recommending in this scenario which he won't be getting because hes going to be the one getting blitz anyway.
You mentioning Black Adam is a hilarious non factor Thor isn't as fast as him even with Mjolnir
Lol? Karen's going to do all that under normal circumstances? Yeah, right. I've read virtually every significant appearance of Power Girl, either on her own or with the JSA, so maybe you can cite some specific examples of PG using her speed in such manners outside of a typical blitz. And yeah, she's not bloodlusted in this thread.
Thor is though. 😱
I mention Black Adam because he's put down Karen with ease when he was so inclined, and that was without speed hardly being an issue. Wonder Woman actually has impressive defenses due to her skill and bracers; Karen does not. And a pissed off bloodlusted Thor packs > power than a Black Adam who doesn't even want to kill Karen normally.
By all means post some feats or cite specific examples of Karen fighting like how you say she will be under normal circumstances. Or better yet, make a Power Girl vs. Thor thread and see how that turns out for ya.
Thor wins this like 7/10. He's beaten bigger threats in this state than this two. Fighting intelligently? I'd most likely give him the majority with that stip alone. They can't hope to match his raw power and so on. There best bet would be two perform hit and run tactics -heavily relying on their speed- but the two usually go head on against an enemy.
Most likely, but Thor's the one cutting loose here. I'm not really sure how they'd win tbh without really relying on speed. Unfortunately that didn't work to well for Surfer and they rarely do that contrary to popular believe.
Flying in head first trying to go power for power will resort in an ass kicking. He has the noticeable edge in that category and versatility. Toss in Beta Ray Bill, and I'd probably still give Thor the nod.
Re: Re: Thor vs Wonder Woman/Power Girl
Originally posted by batdude123
Do the women get afforded the same stipulations?
I would like to know the same. If Diana and Karen aren't fighting all out or at least intelligently and they are fighting a top tier herald who is, then of course they are going to lose.
If the team isn't bloodlusted but is at least fighting to the best of their abilities, then they take a majority. They might not individually have as much raw power as Thor but Diana even without the lasso has great defensive capabilities that can protect both her and Karen. They have the speed advantage and enough strength between the two of them that Thor isn't laughing off their attacks. Diana can also use her tiara as a weapon if need be. They have to work together, which if they are fighting intelligently they will. If Karen rushes in and tries to wrestle him, it's lights out.
I believe Wonder Woman against normal Thor gives him a hell of a fight because I think she is tailor made to fight someone like him. Taking away the lasso does obviously affect things. How much tougher is a bloodlusted Thor?
Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL at Thor getting the chance to do anything that could hurt PG.
Its established that all krytonians know speed tricks as well taught by the Flash.
So how is this anything but a stomp for the team.Thor can't keep up with them its just that simple
speedblitz,speedblitz....speedblitz................. old argument thats been overplayed.
PG gets destroyed , but wonderwoman puts up a good fight. Id say WW vs thor alone thor 6/10, i dont see PG ever beating thor. As a team thor has a chance but its 2 on one still.
Originally posted by zeel
speedblitz,speedblitz....speedblitz................. old argument thats been overplayed.PG gets destroyed , but wonderwoman puts up a good fight. Id say WW vs thor alone thor 6/10, i dont see PG ever beating thor. As a team thor has a chance but its 2 on one still.
It's either speedblitz, or plot device hammer arguments.
The truth is, in an actual well written fight it'd probably come down to a little of both, and neither party would use their nastier tricks...
I mean, really, how many times does a speedster end a fight via blitz, or does Thor end a fight with anti force or something...?
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
How much tougher is a bloodlusted Thor?
Noticeably more powerful I'd wager.
Originally posted by Konton
So it's like Sacrifice but the crazy one is much slower with more versatility and Wondy gets mid-herald backup?Well. Uh, team wins. PG gets hospitalized and Diana breaks her knuckles, but aside from PIS idk how you could say they lose. Diana is at her BEST when calm and strategic.
Not really.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that the two will fly in an attempt to punch Thor out which would be a guaranteed ass kicking imo. He has an overwhelming power edge. Thor going all out and fighting intelligently? That's scary. I honestly think the battle would be a short one based on the way they approach fights 90% of the time.