Superman Vs. the Galactic Empire

N.
Droga was fanatically loyal to Palpatine. Are you saying he wouldn't save Palpatines life?

No, but the question was not would Droga allow Palpatine to possess his body, but did he. I'm certainly open to the idea, but where is your proof?

N.
Plus he went butt**** insane when Palpatine took him over, so clearly Palpatine cannot just take over and start walking around.

So because the consciousness of the person whose body Palpatine occupies is damaged as a result of the technique, Palpatine can't just start walking around? Interesting.

N.
If Palpatine could inhabit others bodies so easily, why would he choose to inhabit rapidly degenerating clone bodies?

Because, as explained in various material, only a body extremely powerful in the Force could sustain Palpatine's essence without premature decay, hence why he targeted Anakin Solo.

N.
Just because it doesn't mention it doesn't mean he does not require some measure of it.

I didn't realize that, when the material doesn't comment, we can simply make up interpretations. You must have really taken me seriously when I teased you and Z. about the ability to make up canon as you see fit.

Spoiler:
To cheat deathestablish canon is a power only one has achieved.

N.
Luke didn't. He was a barely trained Jedi knight.

Correct, Luke didn't. But how was Palpatine to know that?

Originally posted by RagingBoner
Palpatine is a master of the essence transfer and can move his spirit into clones and even trained Force sensitives such as his Emperor's Hand, Droga.

"You can transfer your life essence from your own body
into the body of another-either an empty vessel (such as a
clone) or, in more extreme cases, another devel-oped,
intelligent being. Your consciousness then over-writes that
other individual's consciousness-leaving your mind in the
other body. Your own body disinte-grates, leaving behind
your clothing and any items you previously held or carried." -- Dark Side Sourcebook, page 16.

"Your original body only disintegrates when you voluntarily leave it. If you transfer your essence to another body, and the original consciousness asserts control, you are simply forced out, and the original body survives."

Superman has resisted mental, and/or bodily invasion from the likes of: Manchester Black, Maxima, Despero, Brainiac, etc. No way in hell Palpatine would be able to just hop into Superman's vessel if the aforementioned were unable to. Imho.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same page:

"Your original body only disintegrates when you voluntarily leave it. If you transfer your essence to another body, and the original consciousness asserts control, you are simply forced out, and the original body survives."

Superman has resisted mental, and/pr bodily invasion from the likes of Manchester Black, Maxima, Despero, Brainiac, etc. No way in hell Palpatine is usurping control over Supes if the aforementioned were unable to.

4reelz?
Damn.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait. That part is discussing the game mechanics.

The same thing happens to Bane in DoE. He uses it on Zaanah but she beats him in a battle of wills.

ares834
The same thing happens to Bane in DoE. He uses it on Zaanah but she beats him in a battle of wills.

There's no doubt that the essence can be overpowered (it's what happened to Palpatine and Bane), but the section refers to game mechanics, I believe.

Special: Transferring your consciousness is a decidedly
risky business, because it requires that your old body
relinquish its grip on your life essence. In other words, you
must die. Precisely how this occurs is unimportant, as long
as you are able to declare the action and the skill attempt
before you expire. (Since doing this requires an action,
you cannot attempt Transfer Essence after your wound
points drop to 0.)
Your original body only disintegrates when you
voluntarily leave it. If you transfer your essence to
another body, and the original consciousness asserts
control, you are simply forced out, and the original body
survives.
Note that the Force Defense skill adds a bonus to the
target's Will save
You can also transfer your life essence from your own body
into a specially prepared item, such as a temple, although
this is a much more difficult process. This process requires
that the user have ranks in Alchemy and that life force other
than the user's is expended to help power the transfer. This
application of the skill requires a check against DC 30. For
every hundred lives that are willingly lost to provide power
for this transfer, the DC is reduced by 1, to a minimum of
DC 10. Success indicates that the user's essence lives on,
trapped within the prepared item until freed by another
Force-user. Exar Kun used this application of Transfer
Essence at the end of the Sith Wars.

That doesn't seems iffy on being gameplay mechanic to me. mmm

N.
That doesn't seems iffy on being gameplay mechanic to me. mmm

The way I'm reading that particular section is that if the original consciousness even tries to assert control, then the intruder is excised. But that isn't what happened when Bane possessed Zannah; there was an actual battle of wills that she ultimately won because her will was stronger than his.

Perhaps it means that if the original conscious manages to achieve control, the intruding intellect is thrown out?

edited

It does mention a Will save, but it doesn't mention mention where that comes into play. But you're right about Bane and Zannah.

Still as Galen has pointed out, Superman has resisted possession and mind-control more times than I have fingers.

N.
It does mention a Will save, but it doesn't mention mention where that comes into play. But you're right about Bane and Zannah.

👆

N.
Still as Galen has pointed out, Superman has resisted possession and mind-control more times than I have fingers.

Without burying me in a shitton of comics (a medium which I despise) mind linking me or showing scans?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&highlight=Superman+forumid%3A98

Originally posted by Nephthys
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&highlight=Superman+forumid%3A98

Linking me to a thread that will bury me in comics is perhaps more douchey than doing it yourself. uhuh

It gives me hope that the information will be readily available for my inquisitive eye. 🙁

Originally posted by RagingBoner
4reelz?
Damn.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait. That part is discussing the game mechanics.

...Which helps solidify the lines I posted.

Palpatine leaves a previous body, that body disintegrates, then his essence enters another vessel (either a clone or an individual connected with the dark side.) But IF the vessel Palpatine tries to possess puts up too good of a fight (as Superman undoubtedly would), he cannot inhabit that body. Makes perfect sense.

Right, Superman has to win the battle of wills. We shall see if he is worthy... uhuh

He beat Dominus (a universal telepath/reality warper... One of the most powerful evah!!!) on the mental plane:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/33supermankingoftheworl.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/34supermankingoftheworl.jpg/
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2430/35supermankingoftheworl.jpg

I can't imagine Palpatine overcoming Superman's will if someone that powerful was unable to. Fanboy. vin

But that wasn't possession. excellent

But it was a universal telepath/reality warper trying (and failing) to overcome Superman's mental defenses, in a battle that was waged across four different realities.
ohhh

If Palpatine tried to invade Superman's mind/body, he'd be chewed up and spat out. As much as I love Palps, there's just nothing to support the notion that he could overcome Superman's defenses in that area. His energies would be better spent attacking Superman from a more head-on approach.

Originally posted by Galan007
But it was a universal telepath/reality warper trying (and failing) to overcome Superman's mental defenses, in a battle that was waged across four different realities.
ohhh

If Palpatine tried to invade Superman's mind/body, he'd be chewed up and spat out. As much as I love Palps, there's just nothing to support the notion that he could overcome Superman's defenses in that area.

Give me time and I shall find ze loophole I need! excellent

Try it and I shall manifest a scan-blitz, the likes of which you have never seen before!!11!!! The likes of which may very well make you feel ze urge to poo.

doompa dee doo. umpa2

Originally posted by Galan007
The likes of which may very well make you feel ze urge to poo.

Oh yeah? Well I already think of your posts when I'm constipated! Helps things pass more smoothly. 😖hifty:

Finally, I've been promoted to the laxative of KMC.