This is Wesley, all the way. He can bend his shot. And this is the city where they tried to heal that soldier's leg? Inside the abandoned warehouse? Or are you talking toward the beginning of the movie, the place that was like a circle of ruins?
Well, either place, Wesley takes it. He's got plenty of stuff to use to shield himself - and all that mind-pounding training will keep him on point, plus the kid hardly feels pain.
Originally posted by siriuswriterNo, he never curved a bullet while sniping. In order to curve a bullet, one had to make a certain curving gesture with their gun. He never did this with a sniper rifle. Wesley fired the bullet at an upwards angle. It traveled upwards for a while, then straight, then began it's downwards trajectory at the end. Bullet through his scope, he'll feel that just fine.
This is Wesley, all the way. He can bend his shot. And this is the city where they tried to heal that soldier's leg? Inside the abandoned warehouse? Or are you talking toward the beginning of the movie, the place that was like a circle of ruins?Well, either place, Wesley takes it. He's got plenty of stuff to use to shield himself - and all that mind-pounding training will keep him on point, plus the kid hardly feels pain.
Besides, the ammo played a part in the bullet's flight path. Regular ammo here. Also, his opponents will not be standing still on yellow and red X's. Wesley will never see them. 47 has a much better chance than Wesley here.
Yes, the entire city, let's say a 2 mile square area.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let's go with the Dragunov:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_sniper_rifle
7.62mm caliber with a Leupold 6.5-20x50 Long Range scope.
Each sniper has two 10-round box magazines.
Better?
Hitman used a dragonov during the movie.
use imfdb to find something.
Oh great. Another 20 page argument about how Swagger's (based in reality) feats somehow prove him more competent than snipers who are, by Swagger's viewpoint, able to bend the laws of physics to their whim. It's like a virus. It consumed it's own thread into closing, a mutated spore overtook what would have been a cool thread about a assassinations, and the resurrection of that thread from 2 years ago instantaneously led to the creation of this one
Originally posted by Lestov16Calm down.
Oh great. Another 20 page argument about how Swagger's (based in reality) feats somehow prove him more competent than snipers who are, by Swagger's viewpoint, able to bend the laws of physics to their whim. It's like a virus. It consumed it's own thread into closing, a mutated spore overtook what would have been a cool thread about a assassinations, and the resurrection of that thread from 2 years ago instantaneously led to the creation of this one
Actually I think Swagger will have a hard time winning this.
Originally posted by jaden101http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_PSG1.
Hitman used a dragonov during the movie.use imfdb to find something.
One 20 round mag and the scope I mentioned?
From the location Vasili has the destroyed urban sniping down well so is a contender but i wonder how him the German and the guy from saving private Ryan would fare with modern rifles. Not even sure how suited mogadishu is to long range sniping. All things considered my money would be on Zaitsev in these conditions. As for the most skilled. it's still Wesley. none of the others could even dream of making his shot.
Originally posted by jaden101Vasili is a contender, definitely. I gotta rewatch his movie, ****in epic.
From the location Vasili has the destroyed urban sniping down well so is a contender but i wonder how him the German and the guy from saving private Ryan would fare with modern rifles. Not even sure how suited mogadishu is to long range sniping. All things considered my money would be on Zaitsev in these conditions. As for the most skilled. it's still Wesley. none of the others could even dream of making his shot.
Vasili, Konig, Swagger, Chavez, Beckett, Jackson, I can't decide. Honestly, at this point, I'm leaning towards a Beckett/Swagger showdown. Little more towards Beckett.
47 has an outside chance if he plays his cards right, as does Riggs and Rambo. Isabelle dies, as does Wesley and the Vietnamese whore.
Originally posted by Lestov16
But that's the thing you do not seem to comprehend.Wesley isn't just some dude who can make a longer shot than Swagger. He's shown at various points in the film he has the reflexes (end gun fight, assassinations), precision (shooting the wings off of flies), and ability to sharpshoot at long range (do I need to say it), all of which mixed together will most certainly create a superhuman sniper that Bobby would have no chance against in a sniper duel.
OT: I really, really wish they can make a film about Simo Hayha so i could put him in fights here.
and note, Swagger is technically the better sniper because he is versatile in all the military sniping disciplines, but that does not mean he's beating Wesley in a sniper duel. Superpowers>training
Originally posted by Lestov16No, superpowers do not >>>>>training in a sniper duel. Read the first page, look at the equipment issued. They all have the same rifle and the same ammo. Wesley cannot pull off the shot he made with a regular rifle and regular ammo.
and note, Swagger is technically the better sniper because he is versatile in all the military sniping disciplines, but that does not mean he's beating Wesley in a sniper duel. Superpowers>training
This is why this thread is win, equipment does not decide the winner, skills do.
BTW, 47 did not make a 2 mile shot. Care to know how I came to this conclusion?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read the first page, look at the equipment issued. They all have the same rifle and the same ammo.
Wesley cannot pull off the shot he made with a regular rifle and regular ammo.
That would suck for him if that's what we we're debating. Of course he can't pull off that same shot, but the point that I (and everyone else) is trying to make is, if he can accurately tag Freeman from that distance, how do you not expect him to tag Swagger from the much shorter distance you stated
This is why this thread is win, equipment does not decide the winner, skills do.
Indeed, sir, indeed.
What skills do you need to be a sniper anyways? Let's talk about those.
You love quoting wiki's, so let me quote something from the big one itself
AccuracyThe key to sniping is accuracy , which applies to both the weapon and the shooter. The weapon should be able to consistently place shots within high tolerances. The sniper in turn must utilize the weapon to accurately place shots under varying conditions.
A sniper must have the ability to accurately estimate the various factors that influence a bullet's trajectory and point of impact such as: range to the target, wind direction, wind velocity, altitude and elevation of the sniper and the target and ambient temperature. Mistakes in estimation compound over distance and can decrease lethality or cause a shot to miss completely
You need to have damn good accuracy and precision. Wesley's accuracy is to the point that he can tag a man square in the heart with a handgun while passing on a moving train. Do you know how accurate you have to be to do that? There is a .5 second opportunity to make that shot perfectly and he did it with ease. He didn't have to calculate shit, he could do it intuitively. Hell, his accuracy is to the point that he can tag the individual wings off of a mosquito and still leave it alive.
You need to be able to tag multiple targets. Wesley (with handguns) was able to tag multiple hostiles while avoiding hostiles at once and shoot his way throughout the whole damn building. With handguns. What makes you think that because you've given him a sniper rifle, his extremely fast (AKA SUPERHUMAN) reflexes are suddenly going to decrease into nothing?
The only thing Swagger has on Wesley is camouflage. Oh wait, no he doesn't. Wesley's vision and hand-eye coordination is to the point where he can determine the exact point to shoot a bullet to destroy the wings but not destroy the fly. You think he won't spot Swagger?
so
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, superpowers do not >>>>>training in a sniper duel.
R.J, this is what you have to realize. Wesley doesn't work within the same physics as Swagger. The physics that govern him allow him to make shots so accurate that he can shoot wings off flies without killing them, which is impossible by the physics Bobby works off of. Bobby is only a human. Gibson is NOT
BTW, 47 did not make a 2 mile shot. Care to know how I came to this conclusion?
Nah. I never found 47 to be that impressive to begin with
If we're talking about realism, then Swagger takes this because a Remington 700 (aka M40) is the standard sniper rifle of the US Military. The Vietnamese girl from FMJ was using an AK which is an automatic, so therefore that has to tossed out. The recoil of a .308 would knock her on her ass anyway. The world record for a long distance shot was made by a Canadian in Afghanistan (1.5 miles) and he used a .50 caliber Barrets. Vassili was using a 7.62mm which is similiar to to M14.
My opinion is Swagger.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
The world record for a long distance shot was made by a Canadian in Afghanistan (1.5 miles) and he used a .50 caliber Barrets. Vassili was using a 7.62mm which is similiar to to M14.
Actually It's now a British sniper called Craig Harrison who made a shot in Afghanistan that was 49 yards longer than Rob Furlong's (the Canadian)...Actually Craig hit 2 Taliban gunners at that distance...
Neither of them used a .50 Barrett though...Harrison used a .338 Accuracy International L115A3 and took 9 ranging shots before hitting the target 1st time...Furlong used a MacMillan TAC-50
Wesley cannot pull off the shot he made with a regular rifle and regular ammo.
But he can make it with a 200 year old rifle????
Originally posted by Lestov16See, you're talking about making a shot against a target who is: Unaware they are being targeted, standing right where the sniper wants them to for ten seconds, and not actively searching for the sniper.
That would suck for him if that's what we we're debating. Of course he can't pull off that same shot, but the point that I (and everyone else) is trying to make is, if he can accurately tag Freeman from that distance, how do you not expect him to tag Swagger from the much shorter distance you stated
Here, the other snipers know who is out there and will go stealth. If Swagger, Beckett and Chavez go stealth, no way in hell Wesley is gonna find them.
Look at Chavez:
Now, quote me a scene in Wanted where Wesley displays that he has what it takes to find Chavez with a sniper rifle.
Indeed, sir, indeed.Lulz, it takes more than aim, dude. Much more. Stealth, infiltration, observation techniques, that's just a few.What skills do you need to be a sniper anyways? Let's talk about those.
You love quoting wiki's, so let me quote something from the big one itself
You need to have damn good accuracy and precision. Wesley's accuracy is to the point that he can tag a man square in the heart with a handgun while passing on a moving train. Do you know how accurate you have to be to do that? There is a .5 second opportunity to make that shot perfectly and he did it with ease. He didn't have to calculate shit, he could do it intuitively. Hell, his accuracy is to the point that he can tag the individual wings off of a mosquito and still leave it alive.Handgun precision and rifle precision, apples and oranges.
Fail.
You need to be able to tag multiple targets. Wesley (with handguns) was able to tag multiple hostiles while avoiding hostiles at once and shoot his way throughout the whole damn building. With handguns. What makes you think that because you've given him a sniper rifle, his extremely fast (AKA [b]SUPERHUMAN) reflexes are suddenly going to decrease into nothing? [/b]Ahahahaa Wesley never tagged multiple targets with a sniper rifle. You are assuming that he can.
Swagger, Chavez and Beckett did.
The only thing Swagger has on Wesley is camouflage. Oh wait, no he doesn't. Wesley's vision and hand-eye coordination is to the point where he can determine the exact point to shoot a bullet to destroy the wings but not destroy the fly. You think he won't spot Swagger?Again with the handgun feats. Stop.so
R.J, this is what you have to realize. Wesley doesn't work within the same physics as Swagger. The physics that govern him allow him to make shots so accurate that he can shoot wings off flies without killing them, which is impossible by the physics Bobby works off of. Bobby is only a human. Gibson is NOTWhat I just said. Shooting the wings off flies has absolutely nothing to do with sniping.
Nah. I never found 47 to be that impressive to begin withSure?