Tribe on Papua New Guinea meets white man for the first time, video.
Found this interesting video apparently filmed in the 70´s of a tribe in Tribe on Papua New Guinea meets white man for the first time.
When you watch it it raised a few questions, how would we or aliens react if we ever made contact, are there other tribes somewhere hidden away in some jungle who havn´t met "the white man" yet, and why do some of the men have a friggin branch through his nose??
Niether were they burt at the stake for not being christians nor the women stoned to death for not being covered up. Good job they met what seems to be a nice chap.
As for robbed of their land, I´m not sure about that seeing as you can now go on holiday with them as advertised in the link below.
I wonder if heart disease and diabetes has crept in amongst them since meeting a "technological advanced race.
It also makes me wonder why some races or people advanced to some degree, and these folk didn´t. Maybe because there is no room to experiment with a wheel or no need for one.
http://www.papuatrekking.com/
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Niether were they burt at the stake for not being christians nor the women stoned to death for not being covered up. Good job they met what seems to be a nice chap.As for robbed of their land, I´m not sure about that seeing as you can now go on holiday with them as advertised in the link below.
I wonder if heart disease and diabetes has crept in amongst them since meeting a "technological advanced race.
It also makes me wonder why some races or people advanced to some degree, and these folk didn´t. Maybe because there is no room to experiment with a wheel or no need for one.
http://www.papuatrekking.com/
That was basically the same question the writer asked himself after a Papua New Guinea native asked him why white people/westerners are so much more wealthy/"advanced" than they are.
And an interesting factoid: the Incan Empire was a highly developed civilization that built roads and knew of mathematics yet never invented the wheel. 😛
Originally posted by Bicnarok
It also makes me wonder why some races or people advanced to some degree, and these folk didn´t. Maybe because there is no room to experiment with a wheel or no need for one.
Jared Diamond has a great theory that addresses that very question.
Watch (or read) Guns, Germs and Steel. Great documentary.
Diamond got so much crap from the socio-anthro community for that book
everyone accused him of "determinism", lol, its really funny to read his rebuttals. It is literally him asking, in the most professional way possible, "Did you guys even read my work?"
mind you, the socio-anthro community has produced little of real worth in decades...
thats sort of what I meant. For how scholarly the work was and how much evidence he provided in support, further, how many other lines of evidence he could site to support his theory, it was lunacy to see some people essentially accuse him of saying "Africans were pre-determined to be less advanced".
It is really funny. Let me see if I can find any of it, I read these a couple of years ago...
I liked Collapse too, but not as much
best I could find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel#Criticism
Originally posted by King Kandy
Something that stood out to me is how much nicer these guys are than Christopher Columbus. They made sure the natives used the knives correctly, while when chris met the americans, he held out a sword to let them grab the blade.
How else would they know he was better than them? haw-som
It reminds me of the movie 'Mountains of the Moon' where when the main characters give an African king a gun he hands it to one of his sons (a toddler) and after the main characters fail to impress upon him the danger of the weapon they just hold their breath and pray the kid doesn't pull the trigger.
I'm not exactly sure why, but that video was REALLY interesting. It was very fascinating to see their reactions.
They also seemed liked pleasant people (culture).
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I wonder if heart disease and diabetes has crept in amongst them since meeting a "technological advanced race.
It's fairly difficult to make a point with such a comparison that those diseases are bad when the average life expactancy is less than 30 for them and approaching 80, for most Modern western nations.
It reminds me of a comic I read with a couple of cavemen sitting down by a fire(I believe I posted it here) that said something like:
"What's the deal? We eat only free range animal meat that is fed only all-natural food, we get tons of exercise, all of our fruits and vegitables are 100% organic...and most of us still die before 30."
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm not exactly sure why, but that video was REALLY interesting. It was very fascinating to see their reactions.They also seemed liked pleasant people (culture).
It's fairly difficult to make a point with such a comparison that those diseases are bad when the average life expactancy is less than 30 for them and approaching 80, for most Modern western nations.
It reminds me of a comic I read with a couple of cavemen sitting down by a fire(I believe I posted it here) that said something like:
"What's the deal? We eat only free range animal meat that is fed only all-natural food, we get tons of exercise, all of our fruits and vegitables are 100% organic...and most of us still die before 30."
Average =/= Median
*twitch*
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Average =/= Median*twitch*
I consider the median age to be gigantically irrelevant to my point especially since it doesn't make my point any less valid.
However, if you compare median age, iirc, the difference becomes even more contrasted.
*spasm*
But if you "want to go there" the difference in median age is more than double:
http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/median_age.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/life_expectancy_at_birth.html
Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/median_age.html
*blink*
Oh, that's median age not median age of death. Confused me there for a second.
Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/median_age.html
Actually, this is more what I was thinking of. Life expectancy at birth is in the mid sixties not the thirties which means an adult can probably expect to live to seventy (see infant mortality rate of five times the US: http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/infant_mortality_rate.html)
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually, this is more what I was thinking of. Life expectancy at birth is in the mid sixties not the thirties which means an adult can probably expect to live to seventy (see infant mortality rate of five times the US: http://www.indexmundi.com/papua_new_guinea/infant_mortality_rate.html)
Thanks to modern medicine and science, of course.
Before we injected ourselves into their mostly peaceful society, it was much closer to 30 than 60 (slightly less than 40):
Again, I prefer average life expectancy, not median.
Also, that's a really cool tool. hmm
Also, you're using the punchline of a comic for your comparison. Thought I would throw that out there. 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
Something that stood out to me is how much nicer these guys are than Christopher Columbus. They made sure the natives used the knives correctly, while when chris met the americans, he held out a sword to let them grab the blade.
Didn´t Christopher Columbus have the catholic clergy breathing down his neck, or is that a false interpretation of history? Well the clergy got their way in the end, look how catholic S. America is nowadays