Originally posted by Bentley
He didn't sundip to beat Maul 😕
He tricked him into reverting into his weak human form. He tricked Apollo into sun dipping and overloading himself. Both instances he ate a ground and pound, both instances he never raised a fist or threw a punch. Virtually the same... except in one instance the ground and pound pushed him down several meters into the earth and through a CIA bunker... and it wasn't the instance involving Apollo. And according to Atom that was Maul not trying to kill him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ How about I just post the differences between the two fights:Captain Atom himself hammers the point home:
You can lie to yourself all you want. Give up trying to mislead others.
Yeah... how am I misleading anyone? Maul was battering Atom into the ground... literately. A side by side comparison clearly shows one of the examples to be more impressive than the other, and its not the one with Apollo. The dialogue only indicates that Apollo lacked the restrained or composer that Maul and Majestic apparently exercised (lol). A visual comparison of the feats and the Maul example is more impressive, the only thing that might suggest otherwise is a comparison of the dialogue boxes alone while ignoring the art... and even the dialogue boxes in the Maul example are interrupted with frequent cries of pain, something else missing from the Apollo example. But comics are a visual medium and if there is a discrepancy, the art is more important than the narration. Not sure what the big deal is either way though Atom weathered both attacks like they were nothing... because they were nothing.
Superboy stomps.
Apollo's also done stuff like sterilize a good section of the Moon to eliminate alien invaders and take on an invasion force while having to power up from zero.
My perception of him is at full he's near the level of Majestic and the High, but he's got a very limited battery in comparison, though on the flip side he also has a very fast charge up time.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah... how am I misleading anyone? Maul was battering Atom into the ground... literately. A side by side comparison clearly shows one of the examples to be more impressive than the other, and its not the one with Apollo. The dialogue only indicates that Apollo lacked the restrained or composer that Maul and Majestic apparently exercised (lol). A visual comparison of the feats and the Maul example is more impressive, the only thing that might suggest otherwise is a comparison of the dialogue boxes alone while ignoring the art... and even the dialogue boxes in the Maul example are interrupted with frequent cries of pain, something else missing from the Apollo example. But comics are a visual medium and if there is a discrepancy, the art is more important than the narration. Not sure what the big deal is either way though Atom weathered both attacks like they were nothing... because they were nothing.Superboy stomps.
Euh, no. You can't messure who is more powerful by sheer collateral damage, that's just not how it works.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYour assertions are equally absurd and disingenuous.
Yeah... how am I misleading anyone? Maul was battering Atom into the ground... literately. A side by side comparison clearly shows one of the examples to be more impressive than the other, and its not the one with Apollo. The dialogue only indicates that Apollo lacked the restrained or composer that Maul and Majestic apparently exercised (lol). A visual comparison of the feats and the Maul example is more impressive, the only thing that might suggest otherwise is a comparison of the dialogue boxes alone while ignoring the art... and even the dialogue boxes in the Maul example are interrupted with frequent cries of pain, something else missing from the Apollo example. But comics are a visual medium and if there is a discrepancy, the art is more important than the narration. Not sure what the big deal is either way though Atom weathered both attacks like they were nothing... because they were nothing.Superboy stomps.
Anybody reading those scans sees the damn difference that Captain Atom himself noted in plain English. Captain Atom was weathering Maul's punches quite easily. His bemused thoughts and reactions during Maul's assault make this clear.
When Apollo assaults him, he's fearful. Captain Atom's sense of relief in surviving Apollo and successfully tricking him is also clear. And afterwards, Captain Atom was exhausted. Not so with Maul.
And your delusions don't merit further discussion on the matter when the comic is this clear.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your assertions are equally absurd and disingenuous.Anybody reading those scans sees the damn difference that Captain Atom himself noted in plain English. Captain Atom was weathering Maul's punches quite easily. His bemused thoughts and reactions during Maul's assault make this clear.
When Apollo assaults him, he's fearful. Captain Atom's sense of relief in surviving Apollo and successfully tricking him is also clear. And afterwards, Captain Atom was exhausted. Not so with Maul.
And your delusions don't merit further discussion on the matter when the comic is this clear.
But the difference lies mostly in the fact that Apollo is actually using lethal force when Maul wasn't. That's a very significant piece of context there, behind the differences in Atom's condition after the 2 fights.
Originally posted by cdtm
Could be, yeah.Both Maul and Apollo pounding on him didn't seem to do much damage though. Usually even with high end bricks, grounding and pounding causes serious damage (If it was Superman mounted on Black Adam, can you see BA standing up to the same assault Maul and Apollo inflicted on CA without a lot of physical damage?)
Not "could be" dude. Sorry, but consider the context. He's tricking Apollo into going to the sun because he has a plan. He even prefaces it with a "Apollo's not that bright" comment to lead us into the trick. If you can't see that, you're a poor contextual reader.
If you made an Atom vs. Apollo thread, I'd pick Atom hands down because of the entirety of his feats, even if you remove the trick he pulled. But to say Apollo isn't in his league is clearly wrong. You said he didn't kill...have you even read Authority?
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srank, it doesn't take Cpt. Atom nonsense to see you're embellishing. I have no problem with Connor winning this fight, but Rogue level in strength?!
I dislike characters becoming 1 feat. But it need not be that way. His collective feats make your downplaying of him laughable. Anyone who can hit the planet at a 90 degree angle going hundreds of miles an hour and act like nothing happened is > Rogue. Lifting skyscrapers twice the size of the biggest in LA is > Rogue. Covering huge portions of the moon (continent-sized at least) with burning hot plasma is > Rogue. There's probably a dozen other feats that hammer home the point just as effectively, but that should be plenty.
Originally posted by Q99
Apollo's also done stuff like sterilize a good section of the Moon to eliminate alien invaders and take on an invasion force while having to power up from zero.My perception of him is at full he's near the level of Majestic and the High, but he's got a very limited battery in comparison, though on the flip side he also has a very fast charge up time.
Pretty much. Those two would outlast him, but certainly not destroy Apollo easily.
DC owns Wildstorm and is in the same multiverse, that was all entirely canon. Both the Authority and Cpt. Atom acknowledged the arc afterward in their stories. There's been a few notable universe-spanning instances involving WS. Hell, even a brief one in Final Crisis.
Like I said though, that one feat is irrelevant to most of the points being made here.
