Originally posted by Silent Master
I wonder why certain members of the Zoom side are avoiding this thread?
Beacuse they, as well as anyone with half a functioning brain, knows that (sans PIS) Zoom has no prayer against Galactus; its common sense...
And the weak argument that Zoom is too fast for the Big-G carries no weight and crumbles in the face of a true rebuttal (as has already transpired in this thread)...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Beacuse they, as well as anyone with half a functioning brain, knows that (sans PIS) Zoom has no prayer against Galactus; its common sense...And the weak argument that Zoom is too fast for the Big-G carries no weight and crumbles in the face of a true rebuttal (as has already transpired in this thread)...
No "true rebuttal" was given -- if Zoom can do what his supporters say he can do, then Galactus loses. Smarter zoom supporters like Galan know it is idiotic to postulate such a scenario, but also know that, once that is taken off the table, Zoom's projected wins against less powerful opponents also come into question, since these projected wins have no basis in Zoom's on-panel performances. That's why they don't respond.
Originally posted by Simbon
No "true rebuttal" was given -- if Zoom can do what his supporters say he can do, then Galactus loses. Smarter zoom supporters like Galan know it is idiotic to postulate such a scenario, but also know that, once that is taken off the table, Zoom's projected wins against less powerful opponents also come into question, since these projected wins have no basis in Zoom's on-panel performances. That's why they don't respond.
If Zoom can do what his supporters say, then he still gets spite stomped sans PIS; Galactus can replicate any ability/feat that Zoom can to an extent that is beyond Zoom...
Galactus can instantly neutralize any and every advantage Zoom has going for him and crush him utterly...
Zoom has no prayer against a PIS'less Galactus...
Originally posted by Simbon
No "true rebuttal" was given -- if Zoom can do what his supporters say he can do, then Galactus loses. Smarter zoom supporters like Galan know it is idiotic to postulate such a scenario, but also know that, once that is taken off the table, Zoom's projected wins against less powerful opponents also come into question, since these projected wins have no basis in Zoom's on-panel performances. That's why they don't respond.
Pointing out that a God, who is barely Herald level, is most certainly not Skyfather level and is definitely not Galactus level, and who also doesn't really use magic or have aptitude for it, can enter a time space out of sync under his own power and then pointing out Galactus' ability to also travel to other realms/dimensions/levels of reality and could replicate this, isn't a rebuttal?
Zoom may be impressive, but he's just a baseline human when you're actually in the timeline/time space he inhabits.
I mean, in the Zoom v. Odin thread they specifically outline Odin not being able to use any kind of Time Manipulation because it'd make the thread an instant stomp in Odin's favor.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If Zoom can do what his supporters say, then he still gets spite stomped sans PIS; Galactus can replicate any ability/feat that Zoom can to an extent that is beyond Zoom...Galactus can instantly neutralize any and every advantage Zoom has going for him and crush him utterly...
Zoom has no prayer against a PIS'less Galactus...
According to the Zoom supporters numbers, Zoom can throw trillions upon trillions of galaxy+ level punches in the first second, Galactus would never get the chance to replicate Zoom's feats.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Pointing out that a God, who is barely Herald level, is most certainly not Skyfather level and is definitely not Galactus level, and who also doesn't really use magic or have aptitude for it, can enter a time space out of sync under his own power and then pointing out Galactus' ability to also travel to other realms/dimensions/levels of reality and could replicate this, isn't a rebuttal?Zoom may be impressive, but he's just a baseline human when you're actually in the timeline/time space he inhabits.
I mean, in the Zoom v. Odin thread they specifically outline Odin not being able to use any kind of Time Manipulation because it'd make the thread an instant stomp in Odin's favor.
Don't get me wrong -- I think it's silly to say Zoom beats Galactus. But I also think that the claims made on behalf of fantasy-zoom were never really rebutted. Yes, Galactus can shift to other dimensions, teleport galaxies, and blast people through space and time with an optic blast (he can even overpower someone like Hyperstorm, who has fantastic time manipulation abilities); but his reaction times have consistently been portrayed as being quite slow, and if Zoom can land literally millions or billions of planet destroying punches on him before he could react, this would work. But this is a version of the Zoom character that doesn't exist, even without CIS, since it's not clear that these two things (tons of punches and massively powered punches) can be combined, or even if they aren't just hyperbole.
Originally posted by Silent Master
According to the Zoom supporters numbers, Zoom can throw trillions upon trillions of galaxy+ level punches in the first second, Galactus would never get the chance to replicate Zoom's feats.
A PIS'less Galactus could do a whole lot more than that in a second; a PIS'less Galactus absolutely would be able to percieve and counter anything Zoom attempts to do to him...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
A PIS'less Galactus could do a whole lot more than that in a second; a PIS'less Galactus absolutely would be able to percieve and counter anything Zoom attempts to do to him...
But Galactus has no on-panel speed feats that prove he can do it, so using their logic, he wouldn't be able to react before Zoom hit him several trillion times.
Originally posted by Silent Master
But Galactus has no on-panel speed feats that prove he can do it, so using their logic, he wouldn't be able to react before Zoom hit him several trillion times.
In all seriousness, didn't Reed fling the Thing in Galactus' face and Galactus couldn't move out the way and was toppled? Didn't Rachel/Phoenix fling Nova into Galactus and Galactus didn't move out the way and was toppled? He seems to react...................slowly.
Originally posted by Silent Master
But Galactus has no on-panel speed feats that prove he can do it, so using their logic, he wouldn't be able to react before Zoom hit him several trillion times.
And the Living Tribunal lacks those kind of on-panel speed feats as well, but do you doubt for 1 second that he could percieve and counter anything Zoom attempted to do to him?
Of course the LT could; all of those near infinite types (and Galactus is one of them if he's not starving) could as they can do nearly anything...especially if PIS is taken out of the equation as it is during a forum fight.
So once again, Zoom gets spited by Galactus...
Originally posted by zopzop
In all seriousness, didn't Reed fling the Thing in Galactus' face and Galactus couldn't move out the way and was toppled? Didn't Rachel/Phoenix fling Nova into Galactus and Galactus didn't move out the way and was toppled? He seems to react...................slowly.
PIS...
Its the only way to write Galactus into most stories and not have it end in a panel or two...