Spider-man vs Wolverine

Originally posted by dadudemon

I love this question. Wolverine is definitly in the 1-2 ton range of lifting. Easily. 🙂

If someone wants to requote where I talked about this, I'm okay with that. I, however, don't care to.

Maybe this should be part of the Wolverine respect thread so people will stop covering the same things over and over again?

This is the movie forum. Movie Wolverine has displayed no superhuman strength as far as I can remember. You need more proof than "he definetely can.."

Originally posted by steverules_2
I think Wolverine may be faster than Flash Thompson

Proof that Flash(or any human) moves in slow motion to Wolverine??

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, you seem to glaze over the fact that you've got jack diddly squat. 😐

Also, yeah, you're not talking about the movies because he didn't knock out tons of criminals all the times in the movies. 🙂

And yet, you've still done nothing to counter what I've said: his arms absorbed some of the impact.

Without the arms, he would have been injured even more. Without the arms, he would not have done that much damage.

Regardless, it's more than fast enough and that's all that counts. 🙂

I love this question. Wolverine is definitly in the 1-2 ton range of lifting. Easily. 🙂

If someone wants to requote where I talked about this, I'm okay with that. I, however, don't care to.

Maybe this should be part of the Wolverine respect thread so people will stop covering the same things over and over again?

What? Show me a human having the strength to sent someone flying with with a single punch. Also, this a Peter Parker who didn't even know how to use his powers yet.

Yes he did. I remember the first time he starts to take pictures of himself, he beats the shit out of some guys trying to rob an armored truck. He also easily beats up the 4-5 guys that try to rape MJ. You need to watch Spider-man again.

No they didn't . How could they absorb the hit when it hits him right in the body and face? And he wasn't injured at all, that's the point. Ock has great damage soak. How about when Ock and Spider-man fall off the clock and on the train? He was completely unharmed.

Fast enough for what? You saw how Parker perceives time, he's much faster than Wolverine. If Spider-man really wants to dick around he can just stay out of reach and cover Wolverine in webs or throw stuff at him and there isn't a damn thing Wolverine can do about it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
DDM is a cereal rapist.

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Parker wins this.

Logan ain't moving himself enough to cut through 5-7 wide burst web blasts.

Parker can then seal his mouth and nose with webbing ala when he webbed J Jonah's mouth shut.

Peter could start punching Logan's head in while he suffocates to K.O. Comic Logan can survive such a death but movie I don't know.

Spidey with ease. He has 10+ tonne strength. Slow motion feats. He holds back his punches obviously when he fights thugs. He learnt his strength when he snapped the arm of the thug that killed Uncle Ben. Those punches to Doc Ock should've snapped his neck but Spidey has no intent to kill.

Doc Ock, Sandman and Green Goblin would waste movie Logan as well.

Spider-Man can basically web his hands to a wall at a position where the claws are ineffective the same way Magneto did him in the statue of liberty during the first film.

Originally posted by Psychotron
What? Show me a human having the strength to sent someone flying with with a single punch. Also, this a Peter Parker who didn't even know how to use his powers yet.

This isn't about a human being able to punch someone 4 meters, this is about a human being able to take blunt trauma that would send them flying 4 meters.

But, if you want an example, apparantly, the 1-inch punch from Bruce Lee was enough to send someone flying 10 feet...in a very similar place that Flash got punched.

Granted, 10 feet is not the same as the 10 feet Flash flew because Flash slid after he hit the ground meaning there was more inertia. BUT...granted...the floor Flash was on was much smoother than the cememt or whatever that the dude we have documented, in video, landed on after getting punched by Bruce Lee.

Even so, amen.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes he did. I remember the first time he starts to take pictures of himself, he beats the shit out of some guys trying to rob an armored truck. He also easily beats up the 4-5 guys that try to rape MJ. You need to watch Spider-man again.

SOOOOOOO...for you..knocking out tons of criminals means two scenes in which he beat on criminals, knocking out very little of them, and them running away...or getting webbed up, correct? So a total of 6 guys getting beat on but one getting knocked out is some how "knocking out tons of criminals?" 😆

Maybe you should go back and watch the movies again. 🙂

Originally posted by Psychotron
No they didn't . How could they absorb the hit when it hits him right in the body and face? And he wasn't injured at all, that's the point. Ock has great damage soak. How about when Ock and Spider-man fall off the clock and on the train? He was completely unharmed.

Yes-huuuuuh! dur

Well, that settles that comeback. 😬

Oc does not have great damage soak: Spiderman has weak-ass punches. Especially if you consider force = mass * acceleration. He'd have to be swinging his arms SUPER fast in order to punch off Oc's head, as others suggest he could. Not only could he not do that, he didn't do that, he didn't have the leverage, and his skinny arms were not swining nearly fast enough to accomplish that.

In other words, I'm right, you're wrong. 😐

Originally posted by Psychotron
Fast enough for what? You saw how Parker perceives time, he's much faster than Wolverine. If Spider-man really wants to dick around he can just stay out of reach and cover Wolverine in webs or throw stuff at him and there isn't a damn thing Wolverine can do about it.

Parker may percieve time faster than Wolverine, but not nearly as much as Parker compared to a normal human...which is kind of the point.

Additionally, Parker seemed to not be able to react fast enough to many things that occured to him. It was his spider sense that helped him avoid some of the more awesome damage.

Parker will try and throw webbing and wolverine and Logan will react more than fast enough to chop it right up and there's not a damn thing Parker can do about it. 🙂

And for those of you that say that Spiderman was pulling his punches against Oc's head when they were on the side of the building, I ask you to show a scene where Spiderman showed moving his punches fast enough to punch someone's head off. Flash Thompson's flight was more of him using his strength after impact to continue sending Flash flying because of how strong Parker was, his could continue moving his arm at the same speed in which he threw the punch, transferring much more kinetic energy to Flash's body over a longer period of time.

Spider-Man not obliterating a normal human's face can easily be explained by Uncle Ben's law: "With great power, comes great responsibility". Parker's not a killer, he restrains himself as to not kill.

IIRC, he does show his strength in punching when he's fighting the likes of the Globlins, people who can take mass punishment.

Another example of some punching strength, he sent Flash flying back like a rag-doll with his final hit.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The lowballing in this thread is moronic.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spider-Man not obliterating a normal human's face can easily be explained by Uncle Ben's law: "With great power, comes great responsibility". Parker's not a killer, he restrains himself as to not kill.

And it can be explained by a much better and realistic explanation: he's simply not moving his arms fast enough to obliterate the faces of the human bad guys. This is not only true, it's a point I made more than 2 years ago. It's not like I'm bringing anything new to the thread.

In fact, all of my arguments are not new at all, when it comes to Spiderman.

Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, he does show his strength in punching when he's fighting the likes of the Globlins, people who can take mass punishment.

No he doesn't because they would be punching each other many feet like in Flash Thompson's case.

Let's call it for what it actually is: PIS in the guise of CIS.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This isn't about a human being able to punch someone 4 meters, this is about a human being able to take blunt trauma that would send them flying 4 meters.

But, if you want an example, apparantly, the 1-inch punch from Bruce Lee was enough to send someone flying 10 feet...in a very similar place that Flash got punched.

Granted, 10 feet is not the same as the 10 feet Flash flew because Flash slid after he hit the ground meaning there was more inertia. BUT...granted...the floor Flash was on was much smoother than the cememt or whatever that the dude we have documented, in video, landed on after getting punched by Bruce Lee.

Even so, amen.

SOOOOOOO...for you..knocking out tons of criminals means two scenes in which he beat on criminals, knocking out very little of them, and them running away...or getting webbed up, correct? So a total of 6 guys getting beat on but one getting knocked out is some how "knocking out tons of criminals?" 😆

Maybe you should go back and watch the movies again. 🙂

Yes-huuuuuh! dur

Well, that settles that comeback. 😬

Oc does not have great damage soak: Spiderman has weak-ass punches. Especially if you consider force = mass * acceleration. He'd have to be swinging his arms SUPER fast in order to punch off Oc's head, as others suggest he could. Not only could he not do that, he didn't do that, he didn't have the leverage, and his skinny arms were not swining nearly fast enough to accomplish that.

In other words, I'm right, you're wrong. 😐

Parker may percieve time faster than Wolverine, but not nearly as much as Parker compared to a normal human...which is kind of the point.

Additionally, Parker seemed to not be able to react fast enough to many things that occured to him. It was his spider sense that helped him avoid some of the more awesome damage.

Parker will try and throw webbing and wolverine and Logan will react more than fast enough to chop it right up and there's not a damn thing Parker can do about it. 🙂

And for those of you that say that Spiderman was pulling his punches against Oc's head when they were on the side of the building, I ask you to show a scene where Spiderman showed moving his punches fast enough to punch someone's head off. Flash Thompson's flight was more of him using his strength after impact to continue sending Flash flying because of how strong Parker was, his could continue moving his arm at the same speed in which he threw the punch, transferring much more kinetic energy to Flash's body over a longer period of time.

Utter nonsense. Bruce Lee's one inch punch doesn't send anyone flying, it just forces them stumbling back. Huge difference.

I saw the movie recently, and I know in both those scenes he doesn't web up anyone, he just beats them up especially in the second one. Try again. And really what more do you want? He beats up Flash, he beats up Bonesaw, he beats up a bunch of thieves, he beats up some rapists, it's enough to show just how superior Spider-man is to normal humans even when he is holding back.

Uh-huh, so getting hit with a table that has enough force to send him flying at least 20 meters through a window, a transformer, and in a car and getting up unharmed is something normal humans can do? Or a fall dozens of meters on to a moving train, again unharmed, and that's normal? Ock has great damage soak, deal with it. His arms can still move much faster than a humans, and his strength is enough to kill anyone. He beats the crap out of Goblin (a real super human) with just a few punches when he's pissed.

Sorry, you're not right just because you claim to be.

Wolverine has no real reaction feats, he'll get webbed up easily. In fact, you've mentioned no feats for him, aside from the ladder scene, despite claiming he's in the 1-2 ton range, and has reflexes fast to keep up with Spider-man. Like I said Spider-man can easily stay out of range (not that he needs to) and what does Wolverine do then?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Utter nonsense. Bruce Lee's one inch punch doesn't send anyone flying, it just forces them stumbling back. Huge difference.

Yeah, except that's not the case.

Nice try. 🙂

Originally posted by Psychotron
I saw the movie recently, and I know in both those scenes he doesn't web up anyone, he just beats them up especially in the second one. Try again. And really what more do you want? He beats up Flash, he beats up Bonesaw, he beats up a bunch of thieves, he beats up some rapists, it's enough to show just how superior Spider-man is to normal humans even when he is holding back.

Sorry, bro, he webbed up criminals. You should go back and watch the films.

He never beat up Flash. Flash got up and walked away because he was scared pooooooopless.

Also, no matter how many red herrings you throw at me, you have still yhet to admit that you were wrong: he didn't knock out a ton of criminals.

🙂

Originally posted by Psychotron
Uh-huh, so getting hit with a table that has enough force to send him flying at least 20 meters through a window, a transformer, and in a car and getting up unharmed is something normal humans can do?

Yup, especially with nearly indestructable arms absorbing some of the impact.

People get into intersection crashes all the time and they fly quite far in the air, get up, get back on their bikes, and drive off.

I like how you keep revisiting the same points over and over again as though they somehow magically become valid.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Or a fall dozens of meters on to a moving train, again unharmed, and that's normal? Ock has great damage soak, deal with it. His arms can still move much faster than a humans, and his strength is enough to kill anyone. He beats the crap out of Goblin (a real super human) with just a few punches when he's pissed.

Again, more impact absorption from the arms.

Oc has above average damage soak mostly due to his arms. Deal with it.

Leave the comic book crap in the other forums. 😉

Originally posted by Psychotron
Sorry, you're not right just because you claim to be.

I know you are but what am I?

Think of a better come back, please.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Wolverine has no real reaction feats, he'll get webbed up easily. In fact, you've mentioned no feats for him, aside from the ladder scene, despite claiming he's in the 1-2 ton range, and has reflexes fast to keep up with Spider-man. Like I said Spider-man can easily stay out of range (not that he needs to) and what does Wolverine do then?

Yeah he does. Nice try. This is where you ask me to cite my sources. Then I reply with "X-men 1, 2, 3, and Origins." Then I win the threads.

And, no, I've alluded to multiple feats which most are aware of.

If Spidey stays out of range, he loses by default: not fighting is the same as giving up because it's a BFR, bro.

Originally posted by dadudemon

If Spidey stays out of range, he loses by default: not fighting is the same as giving up because it's a BFR, bro.

Spidey staying 20-30 mtrs out of range in a tussle is not BFR.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Proof that Flash(or any human) moves in slow motion to Wolverine??

Proof that he isn't 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, except that's not the case.

Nice try. 🙂

Sorry, bro, he webbed up criminals. You should go back and watch the films.

He never beat up Flash. Flash got up and walked away because he was scared pooooooopless.

Also, no matter how many red herrings you throw at me, you have still yhet to admit that you were wrong: he didn't knock out a ton of criminals.

🙂

Yup, especially with nearly indestructable arms absorbing some of the impact.

People get into intersection crashes all the time and they fly quite far in the air, get up, get back on their bikes, and drive off.

I like how you keep revisiting the same points over and over again as though they somehow magically become valid.

Again, more impact absorption from the arms.

Oc has above average damage soak mostly due to his arms. Deal with it.

Leave the comic book crap in the other forums. 😉

I know you are but what am I?

Think of a better come back, please.

Yeah he does. Nice try. This is where you ask me to cite my sources. Then I reply with "X-men 1, 2, 3, and Origins." Then I win the threads.

And, no, I've alluded to multiple feats which most are aware of.

If Spidey stays out of range, he loses by default: not fighting is the same as giving up because it's a BFR, bro.

More nonsense. I have the movie, Spider-man beats up 5 robbers, and 5 rapists, he doesn't tie up anyone in those scenes. Watch the movie.

Flash didn't get up at all, the scene ends when Peter leaves.

You know, I wasn't being literal, but if I was , if we assume each of the guys he ko'es was around 80 kilograms than he knocks out around 800 kilograms of criminals on screen in the first movie. Almost a ton.

What is this magic world where the indestructible arms on your back protect you from attacks in the front?

Those are rare cases, not the norm. Don't use exceptions to prove a point.

Could be, but it's unclear if falls on his back or front or on his sides. Even if he does hit the train with his back, those arms are still connected to his spine so Ock's spine must be pretty damn strong.

Also, I like how you ignored the part about Goblin, it won't go away just because you don't have a way to lowball it. You wanted punching power, there it is. Goblin has superhuman durability, and a non-holding back Spider-man beat the shit out of him.

No he doesn't, I've seen all of the X-men movies + Origins. You're the one making the claim Wolverine is fast enough to keep up with Spider-man, it's up to you to prove it.

Staying out of reach and webbing him up is not BFR. I'm convinced you're a troll at this point, if so good work you got me.

Originally posted by dadudemon

If Spidey stays out of range, he loses by default: not fighting is the same as giving up because it's a BFR, bro.

So if Cyclops keeps his distance while fighting Wolverine he loses by default??

Or if the Flash uses his speed to avoid being hit by Hulk he loses by default?

For the record even close up I doubt Wolverine could touch Spidey. Spidey in fight mode sees everyone else moving in slow motion.

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Who's sock are you, Psychotron? The only reason I haven't banned you is because you're civil, somewhat, and you are active.

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Originally posted by Impediment
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Who's sock are you, Psychotron? The only reason I haven't banned you is because you're civil, somewhat, and you are active.

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Spider-Man punches Logan's head off. uhuh

Er, no, not possible.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Er, no, not possible.

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