Justice League Dark Vs Dark Avengers

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He beat Doom in one of "garden variety" Sentry's redeeming moments when he wasn't dropping the ball.

And he did harm Sentry. Putting it in quotes and trying to downplay what Doom did with his simple spell doesn't change that he messed up Sentry more than he intended.

Case in point, Sentry's not immune to magic on his best day.

i don't need to downplay it because it's self-evident that it's ultimately meaningless. what meaning does momentary emotional trauma hold for a character who (in respsonse) transforms into a monster that regenerates from death & destroys the attacker on a molecular level?

he may not be immune, but the second arc of new avengers sure paints a different picture; dr strange was completely useless in that battle & could barely guard against void's attacks.

Originally posted by tkitna
Its true. I am a classy guy.

Look kid, I can tell your tired and cranky so i'm going to get back to work and you can sit here and bust my chops if thats what gets you off.

Peace

I thought we were having a friendly joust, old man. You do realize you initiated it, right?

Originally posted by Mindset
The classiest.

I thought we were having a friendly joust, old man. You do realize you initiated it, right?

Come on man, your the one that laughed at the delusional Sentry fans knowing darn well that I would have to respond. 😂

This team has a good deal more magic than Doom on his lonesome.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Also the fact that the Norn Stones bit was from Siege (as far as I'm aware) and forum rules make it clear that Siegetry/Void is an entire separate entity than regular Sentry/Void.

Constantine with prep can be a beast though. He has a penchant for making bad things worse for himself by calling in a bigger evil shark to take care of the current evil shark.

There's also where he cheated during the God-thing saga by using a wish/spell powered by Yahweh/God/Presence/Source/etc. to turn Godthing back into Alec Holland.

And that's just Constantine. Zatanna is pretty powerful in her own right.

Originally posted by tkitna
What are trying to get at? Yeah, Doom hurt Bob with a spell. Enough so that bad stuff was going to happen if Doom tried it again. Doom was wise enough not to try again.

If your point is that the spell hurt Bob then yes it did. Enough to put him down or even matter? Not on Victors best day. If Tony wasnt there, Doom more than likely dies.

What I'm getting at is that it's kinda silly to act like magic in of itself doesn't effect Sentry when it clearly does and as far as Doom specifically goes, that single spell did a number on Sentry enough to cause him to be briefly incapacitated, and that was without Doom really trying that hard. Considering Doom has magical power far greater than what he displayed against Sentry in that specific moment, to say nothing of the means to attack him in ways other than his fragile pysche/spirit, which was what Doom commented on, to me, it just seems like a poor way of trying to downplay what happened.

It was enough to hurt him, that was the point, and Doom wasn't really trying that hard. Could he have voided out? Possibly. Could he have also been KOed or out for the count? Based on how sporadic Sentry during that time was, possibly. Sorry if I don't take Tony Stark's words as the gospel when it comes to Bob.

And as far as the team goes, I'm pretty sure "Esrepsid!" would play a massive number on Bob, regardless of his form.

Originally posted by wildernesss
i don't need to downplay it because it's self-evident that it's ultimately meaningless. what meaning does momentary emotional trauma hold for a character who (in respsonse) transforms into a monster that regenerates from death & destroys the attacker on a molecular level?

he may not be immune, but the second arc of new avengers sure paints a different picture; dr strange was completely useless in that battle & could barely guard against void's attacks.

Except you've been downplaying what actually happened since you mentioned it. Emotional trauma doesn't translate into Void. During that time, it was just as likely, if not more so, than Bob would have BFRed himself to avoid Voiding out or would have been rendered incapacitated as this was around when he was getting his ass kicked by people like She-Hulk, Hercules, humilated by the Human Torch, etc. It's a good feat for Sentry that he was able to get his shit together and beat Doom at the end of the arc, but don't act like he was about to become the Void based off Iron Man.

Too bad we don't just cherry pick versions of characters to best suit our agenda, then.

Originally posted by tkitna
Come on man, your the one that laughed at the delusional Sentry fans knowing darn well that I would have to respond. 😂

Originally posted by Mindset
I didn't know you were a delusional Sentry fan. 😗

Being a black belt in sarcasm myself, I commend you sir. 😆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What I'm getting at is that it's kinda silly to act like magic in of itself doesn't effect Sentry when it clearly does and as far as Doom specifically goes, that single spell did a number on Sentry enough to cause him to be briefly incapacitated, and that was without Doom really trying that hard. Considering Doom has magical power far greater than what he displayed against Sentry in that specific moment, to say nothing of the means to attack him in ways other than his fragile pysche/spirit, which was what Doom commented on, to me, it just seems like a poor way of trying to downplay what happened.

That single spell did a number and yet we have magic users that are more powerful than Doom (Strange, Morgan) that are powerless against Bob. Makes you wonder whats going on there, doesnt it?

Sorry if I don't take Tony Stark's words as the gospel when it comes to Bob.

Doom did, why is it so hard for you?

And as far as the team goes, I'm pretty sure "Esrepsid!" would play a massive number on Bob, regardless of his form.

Maybe, but she better be ready for the circumstances if it doesnt.

when he was getting his ass kicked by people like She-Hulk, Hercules, humilated by the Human Torch, etc.

Lol

Too bad we don't just cherry pick versions of characters to best suit our agenda, then.

when he was getting his ass kicked by people like She-Hulk, Hercules, humilated by the Human Torch, etc

Boy you got that right.

Originally posted by 753
shes saying they're weak. thor isnt in this fight

😉 i like u

Did any mage BFR Sentry? Cause I know he can be/

^ Dark Young Avenger, Enchantress, did. I think with Wiccan's and Coat of Arms' help.

Originally posted by tkitna
That single spell did a number and yet we have magic users that are more powerful than Doom (Strange, Morgan) that are powerless against Bob. Makes you wonder whats going on there, doesnt it?

Doom did, why is it so hard for you?

Maybe, but she better be ready for the circumstances if it doesnt.

Lol

when he was getting his ass kicked by people like She-Hulk, Hercules, humilated by the Human Torch, etc

Boy you got that right.

I doubt at this point Strange is either.

Originally posted by Mindset
Morgan isn't more powerful than Doom, he showed that when he owned her.

I doubt at this point Strange is either.

hmmmm...she had the upper hand till the time travel incident iirc

She had onesided prep ambushed Doom.

And even then he fought back for awhile until she locked his suit.

Originally posted by Mindset
She had onesided prep ambushed Doom.

And even then he fought back for awhile until she locked his suit.

so its a knock when someone uses prep against doom?

It is when youre using it as proof that she has better magic than Doom...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except you've been downplaying what actually happened since you mentioned it. Emotional trauma doesn't translate into Void. During that time, it was just as likely, if not more so, than Bob would have BFRed himself to avoid Voiding out or would have been rendered incapacitated as this was around when he was getting his ass kicked by people like She-Hulk, Hercules, humilated by the Human Torch, etc. It's a good feat for Sentry that he was able to get his shit together and beat Doom at the end of the arc, but don't act like he was about to become the Void based off Iron Man.

Too bad we don't just cherry pick versions of characters to best suit our agenda, then.

extreme emotional trauma does translate into void. when he saw his dead wife during the ultron arc he became void empowered. when he was confronted by the heroes during the new avengers second arc he became void; even when he BFRed himself during the skrull storyline due to emotional/mental distress, the void manifested & saved his wife. Did you read the second mini series? It's irrelevent if the sentry BFRs himself because sentry & void frequently seperate as two seperate physicals entities. sentry was already disturbed during the doom arc due to time displacement; doom's magic was used against an already distressed mind. iron man wasn't bluffing.

as for the physical attacks by she hulk & hercules. who cares? he regenerates from death & can control molecules; what does momentary CIS or PIS matter to a character like this? he didn't even want to fight hercules on that occassion btw.

Originally posted by Mindset
She had onesided prep ambushed Doom.

And even then he fought back for awhile until she locked his suit.

Didn't she show up all pissed off one time and turn him to stone or something after a very brief struggle?

Originally posted by Mindset
Morgan isn't more powerful than Doom, he showed that when he owned her.

I doubt at this point Strange is either.

I'm not sure of the history, but I thought she was more powerful and actually taught Doom stuff. I definatly could be wrong.

As for Strange, its hard for me to think he's not better even though he's looked pretty bad lately. Sentry has punked Strange a few times too though.