Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I thought Henshaw was a psionic entity that inhabits machinery and such; why would he need some form of cpu and why would ripping it out render him powerless?
Just a dumbass writer. Never before has he been shown to have a "central node" or any other similar weakness for that matter.
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkYet there have been several other instances in which Hank was beaten, and his body wrecked (during the Sinestro Corps War, for instance) yet he didn't just 'hop' into another vessel psionically. He had to be reactivated.
I thought Henshaw was a psionic entity that inhabits machinery and such; why would he need some form of cpu and why would ripping it out render him powerless?
I'd care not to throw out those instances just because one issue depicted him as a psionic entity.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yet there have been several other instances in which Hank was beaten, and his body wrecked (during the Sinestro Corps War, for instance) yet he didn't just 'hop' into another vessel psionically. He had to be reactivated.I'd care not to throw out those instances just because one issue depicted him as a psionic entity.
One issue?
Wasn't he shown as a psionic entity in his origin stories, Reign of the Superman, Hunter/Prey and most of his appearances pre-Sinestro Corp War
Edit: And what about that time he took over that entire jail ship and turned it into a body?
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkAfaik, the only time it has been confirmed that Hank exists as a psionic 'ghost' was in GLC #52.
One issue?Wasn't he shown as a psionic entity in his origin stories, Reign of the Superman, Hunter/Prey and most of his appearances pre-Sinestro Corp War
Regardless, instances like this (as well as the first scan I posted) prove that Hank usually tries to contain his essence within a single vessel... Even after that vessel has been beaten:
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkJust like many of your points above, that is an example of technopathy. Hank is one of the best technopaths in comics.
Edit: And what about that time he took over that entire jail ship and turned it into a body?
Originally posted by Galan007Don't you see the discrepancy between what the issue of Action Comics showed in regards to a random component being pulled from his chest, and the confrontation with Parallax did when his whole chest was blown up and yet he continued on and regenerated within moments?
Healing from a blast to the chest means... Wut?
Originally posted by Galan007Considering that Cyborg Doomsday, the same one whose abilities render Henshaw powerless as shown earlier, was only a small distance away from him, I'd say yes.
Really? You sure that was still in effect when Supes trounced him?
Otherwise we're going into illogical territory, where his abilities aren't blocked...for some reason, while he is on a technological spaceship (the supreme technopath?) by who brought him and wants to keep him there and has shown that ability just the issue before (makes sense?), and then he's taken out by something that, considering his history, he shouldn't have.
We either accept all the contradictions, or go with something that's logical in the context of the story, and Henshaw's history. I'll go with the latter.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPerhaps that version of Henshaw didn't have a central node? Perhaps it was in a different place? Perhaps the current version of Hank is the only version to have a central node? Who knows?
Don't you see the discrepancy between what the issue of Action Comics showed in regards to a random component being pulled from his chest, and the confrontation with Parallax did when his whole chest was blown up and yet he continued on and regenerated within moments?
...And his whole chest wasn't blown up, btw- just part of it. 😛
Originally posted by PhilosophíaI'd prefer not to theorize that Hank's abilities were shut off, without some solid confirmation that they had been- in fact, Hank's abilities must have been functional. Otherwise, how do you explain him going from a lifeless pile of metal at the end of Superman/Batman Annual #5:
Considering that Cyborg Doomsday, the same one whose abilities render Henshaw powerless as shown earlier, was only a small distance away from him, I'd say yes.Otherwise we're going into illogical territory, where his abilities aren't blocked...for some reason, while he is on a technological spaceship (the supreme technopath?) by who brought him and wants to keep him there and has shown that ability just the issue before (makes sense?), and then he's taken out by something that, considering his history, he shouldn't have.
We either accept all the contradictions, or go with something that's logical in the context of the story, and Henshaw's history. I'll go with the latter.
To being fully regenerated back to his regular self the next time he was seen in AC #900:
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After all, Cyborg Doomsday took Hank directly to the master ship after beating him- so his [Hank's] regen had to have taken place on said ship, and in the vicinity of Cyborg DD. Just sayin'.
Originally posted by Galan007Come on Galan, we both know those are made up absurd excuses. Henshaw was never shown to need a central core to function, or be rendered imobile once that specific component is removed (it would have been mighty convenient of Superman for him to have had this weakness and be so easily rendered useless, wouldn't you say?) - in fact, as the scan shows, even when the area where the supposed component is supposed to be ends being blown up, he goes on and regenerates in moments. And to say he off-panel manifested a crippling weakness component, that he had showed no need up to that point is, well, you get the point.
Perhaps that version of Henshaw didn't have a central node? Perhaps it was in a different place? Perhaps the current version of Hank is the only version to have a central node? Who knows?...And his whole chest wasn't blown up, btw- just part of it. 😛
It literally goes against everything that's been shown on Henshaw up until now.
Why would have his regeneration had to have taken place in the vicinity of Cyborg Doomsday? The Doomsday clones were clearly not facing the ones captured until well after they've all been gathered and woken up.
i have to read that issue over again, but i'm not sure if cyborg-doomsday could negate powers like the eradicator version "seemed" to be able to do (or rather counteract them like original doomsday did the radiant). he did override the control of the vessel henshaw had though, imo just displaying more power over tech
looks more like a PIS/writer ineptitude moment really as the node was literally ADDED to his structure and was revealed to be a valuble component when it never has been before
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i have to read that issue over again, but i'm not sure if cyborg-doomsday could negate powers like the eradicator version "seemed" to be able to do (or rather counteract them like original doomsday did the radiant). he did override the control of the vessel henshaw had though, imo just displaying more power over tech
"I can't re-form myself...repair myself now. If he rips me apart, will I die?"
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPersonally, I think it's more logical to assume that the version of Hank in that comic had that weakness, as opposed to writing it off like it never happened. We know with certainty that different versions of Hank have had different pros and cons. Just sayin'.
Come on Galan, we both know those are made up absurd excuses. Henshaw was never shown to need a central core to function, or be rendered imobile once that specific component is removed (it would have been mighty convenient of Superman for him to have had this weakness and be so easily rendered useless, wouldn't you say?) - in fact, as the scan shows, even when the area where the supposed component is supposed to be ends being blown up, he goes on and regenerates in moments. And to say he off-panel manifested a crippling weakness component, that he had showed no need up to that point is, well, you get the point.It literally goes against everything that's been shown on Henshaw up until now.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSo you're saying that DD brought Hank to the master ship, allowed him to fully regen, then turned his powers back off once the battle between the Supermen/Doomsdays recommenced? Kind of sketchy, imo.
Why would have his regeneration had to have taken place in the vicinity of Cyborg Doomsday? The Doomsday clones were clearly not facing the ones captured until well after they've all been gathered and woken up.
Is there even proof that Cyborg DD can turn off Hanks abilities without first having absolute control over all local tech? I don't believe there is...
