Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
He bested a essential god who manipulated reality on a massive scale on a mental level and has reversed Zrfffian power through sheer will alone and that's not good enough for you when he's taking on someone just barely above Charles? 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
The fact that you think CN is barely above Charles shows you have no idea who she even is.He also used T-vo, which he has done like 2 times.
New X-men, issues 114 through 126.
She is a Mummudrai, a spiritual Anti-self who all supposedly face in the womb before coalescing as physical beings. But she was the Mummudrai for the world's most powerful telepath, built herself a body out of Charles' cells and ended up surviving years after her stillborn death in a sewer before setting in motion the events that caused the extermination of 16 million mutants on Genosha.
And all of this because she can't differentiate the real world from the womb of Mrs. Xavier and only recognizes Charles as another actually existing being.
So yes, I know exactly who Cassandra Nova is, thank you.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
CN is a beast. She effortlessly mind raped the elite of imperial guard, each consider world destroyers. Such for example Gladeator.
None of the Shi'ar Guard compare to Dominus or Emperor Joker. Charles and Cassandra Nova doesn't compare to those two.
And she didn't mind rape Gladiator, she word raped him. His powers run solely on belief and he's not the hardest guy to topple if you had just infiltrated his beloved empire and brought it down around everyone's ears while he smiled and helped you do it because he was being deceived.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
New X-men, issues 114 through 126.She is a Mummudrai, a spiritual Anti-self who all supposedly face in the womb before coalescing as physical beings. But she was the Mummudrai for the world's most powerful telepath, built herself a body out of Charles' cells and ended up surviving years after her stillborn death in a sewer before setting in motion the events that caused the extermination of 16 million mutants on Genosha.
And all of this because she can't differentiate the real world from the womb of Mrs. Xavier and only recognizes Charles as another actually existing being.
So yes, I know exactly who Cassandra Nova is, thank you.
I know this because of this statement made by you
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And she didn't mind rape Gladiator, she word raped him. His powers run solely on belief and he's not the hardest guy to topple if you had just infiltrated his beloved empire and brought it down around everyone's ears while he smiled and helped you do it because he was being deceived.
Which is utter BS, because it is made very clear she mind raped him and it occured in the issue u stated
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
New X-men, issues 114 through 126.
So yea, maybe you should not try and read simply online sources like wiki and then pretend you read the issue, when clearly you did not
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Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkSo why the retarded comment of her being just barely above Xavier? Or did you just read her wiki page?
New X-men, issues 114 through 126.She is a Mummudrai, a spiritual Anti-self who all supposedly face in the womb before coalescing as physical beings. But she was the Mummudrai for the world's most powerful telepath, built herself a body out of Charles' cells and ended up surviving years after her stillborn death in a sewer before setting in motion the events that caused the extermination of 16 million mutants on Genosha.
And all of this because she can't differentiate the real world from the womb of Mrs. Xavier and only recognizes Charles as another actually existing being.
So yes, I know exactly who Cassandra Nova is, thank you.
Originally posted by Galan007But my opinion is better than yours.
Wow, sure I'd credit her as being the more powerful of the two, but "much" more powerful? Not imo.
Originally posted by Mindset
So why the retarded comment of her being just barely above Xavier? Or did you just read her wiki page?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No you simply looked at wiki and copy this almost word for word. So please dont pretend you know this as some fact, because it not even right.
I find it kind of funny that just because I disagree with you that all of my knowledge must come from a wiki instead of you who supposedly have read all the issues in question.
I actually have the entire Grant Morrison run of New X-men in front of me and am in the middle of reading it.
I know this because of this statement made by you
And I can control if on some wiki somewhere someone paraphrased the whole thing in the same manner as I did? 😬
Which is utter BS, because it is made very clear she mind raped him and it occured in the issue u stated
Evidence being? I don't see Gladiator showing any kind of influence mentally until after Cassandra verbally tears him apart.
So yea, maybe you should not try and read simply online sources like wiki and then pretend you read the issue, when clearly you did not
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And maybe you should be more polite Dum Dum. It wasn't so long ago you got banned for your poor temper and hostile approach to talking to others.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I find it kind of funny that just because I disagree with you that all of my knowledge must come from a wiki instead of you who supposedly have read all the issues in question.I actually have the entire Grant Morrison run of New X-men in front of me and am in the middle of reading it.
And I can control if on some wiki somewhere someone paraphrased the whole thing in the same manner as I did? 😬
Evidence being? I don't see Gladiator showing any kind of influence mentally until [b]after
Cassandra verbally tears him apart.And maybe you should be more polite Dum Dum. It wasn't so long ago you got banned for your poor temper and hostile approach to talking to others. [/B]
oh I so scared I gunna get banned calling u out on ur crap, me so worried.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
U really wanna sit there and pretend you have the issue in front of u, be my guest, I don't by it for a second. Gladeator clearly got mind raped and it is very evident from the confrontation that what happen. Which is why I think ur full of shit.oh I so scared I gunna get banned calling u out on ur crap, me so worried.
And this is where I'm done talking to you Dum Dum. You're petulant, petty, childish, aggressive, offensive and vitriolic. A rational person who can and does generally debate topics such as these without resulting to low-brow personal attacks and attempted degradations of a person instead of besting them through superior skills and evidence can't possibly debate against you because you make such a train wreck out of the entire thing.
So if anyone else wants to actually debate this topic without making some idiotic claim that I've never read the issues of New X-men and that's the only reason that they win the debate and that my entire contribution to the discussion is invalid with such a comment that can not be proven, just let me know and I'll gladly discuss the topic with you.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And this is where I'm done talking to you Dum Dum. You're petulant, petty, childish, aggressive, offensive and vitriolic. A rational person who can and does generally debate topics such as these without resulting to low-brow personal attacks and attempted degradations of a person instead of besting them through superior skills and evidence can't possibly debate against you because you make such a train wreck out of the entire thing.So if anyone else wants to actually debate this topic without making some idiotic claim that I've never read the issues of New X-men and that's the only reason that they win the debate and that my entire contribution to the discussion is invalid with such a comment that can not be proven, just let me know and I'll gladly discuss the topic with you.
Originally posted by Mindset
So why the comment of her being just barely above Xavier?
Because her telepathy was never shown as being above Charles'.
Is her overall powerset greater? Oh, without a doubt. She has self-healing, intangibility and some vague possible energy manipulation and matter creation abilities. But she never shows herself as being that much more competent than Charles.
Originally posted by Mindset
Except when she beat him while he was using cerebra.
She sucker punched him when he was using Cerebra and did nearly take control of him, but he did still have enough willpower to pull a gun on himself and make it frank he'd commit suicide before letting her win.
And both of them had bleeding noses following the confrontation so it's not like Cassandra got out of that without a hitch.
The next time they really confront each other was when Cassandra was using Cerebra and forced the body switch.
And then the third time they faced each other was when Cassandra used Cerebra to try and extinguish all mutants at once only to find Charles waiting for her and she got curbstomped.
So I still assert that she's on par, if not slightly more powerful than Charles when it comes solely to TP.
Overall, as I've said, she is most certainly more powerful than Charles.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And then the third time they faced each other was when Cassandra used Cerebra to try and extinguish all mutants at once only to find Charles waiting for her and she got curbstomped.
The Phoenix Force forced Nova out of Charles body. Emma in Diamond Form is immune to telepathy she tricked Nova.
Originally posted by Mindset
How did she sucker punch him? I remember her easily beating him while he was using cerebra.She didn't get curbstomped, she was tricked and that's the only way they could beat her. Then Xavier and Jean attacked her, even then all they did was force her from Xavier's body.
Xavier's entire conversation during that confrontation made it pretty clear that he had no idea who or what was attacking him while he was using Cerebra. He went from just stretching his mind in the new device that Beast built to suddenly being under assault by a psychic entity just as potent as he is. How exactly is that not a sucker punch?
Like I said in the Nova v. Thor thread, define trick. She's the one who plugged herself into Cerebra, it just happened that Charles was laying in wait in every mutant mind on the planet and got in a nasty sucker punch himself. Then Jean manifested the Phoenix Force and muscled Cassandra out of Charles' body.
The only one who did any tricking was Emma and that was just changing the situation from a weakened Cassandra being obliterated by the combined force of Charles and Phoenix Jean to Cassandra being safely trapped and able to be re-educated.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Xavier's entire conversation during that confrontation made it pretty clear that he had no idea who or what was attacking him while he was using Cerebra. He went from just stretching his mind in the new device that Beast built to suddenly being under assault by a psychic entity just as potent as he is. How exactly is that [b]not a sucker punch?[/B]
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And when was Emma put in her place? She never psychically confronted Cassandra.
In Astonishing X-Men Torn a whisper drove Emma insane, she eventually beat it but it was a whisper. The same whisper hid itself from Jean Grey manifesting the PF and scanning through Emma's mind.