Difference between Sith and Dark Jedi

Started by chilled monkey2 pages

Originally posted by Q99
In addition to brand name, there are specific Sith teachings and knowledge.

All the Sith orders can trace their teaching lineage back to the Hundred Years Darkness and the Sith that came from there in one way or another. Whether direct teacher-student lines, or in a few cases studying at the feet of holocrons of past Sith masters.

Sort of like how a random female darksider could claim to be a Nightsister, but unless she learned their style of magic, she's really not one and is just using the name.

Ventress claimed to be a Sith, but she had no training from anyone with Sith history at the time, she just combined Nightsister and Jedi training.

I agree with you entirely except for this bit...

Originally posted by Q99
Once she had some training with Dooku, she could more legitimately claim the title as she now had proper Sith teachings

Dooku didn't give her Sith teachings, just basic dark side techniques. This is shown in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous:

D: Have I not taught you many secrets?

V: Scraps. Little devices. Leser arts. Not nearly what you would if I were your apprentice sworn in blood.

Other than that you hit the nail right on the head.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Dark Jedi" is a term spawned out of necessity. After all, if Ventress, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Savage Opress, etc. would have all been dubbed "Sith", instead of "dark Jedi", it would have directly violated the rule of two- a rule Palpatine obviously abided by.

In short: it was essentially a way to introduce more dark side adepts to the mythos, without screwing up Sith continuity.

Not really. The term Dark Jedi was used long before the whole Rule of Two thing was ever heard of.

Brakiss and the Shadow Academy trainees for example were referred to as Dark Jedi.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
I agree with you entirely except for this bit...

Dooku didn't give her Sith teachings, just basic dark side techniques. This is shown in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous:

D: Have I not taught you many secrets?

V: Scraps. Little devices. Leser arts. Not nearly what you would if I were your apprentice sworn in blood.

Other than that you hit the nail right on the head.

Yea. Even post-training she's not a true sith, but at least has some lesser sith knowledge and worked under a sith. If every other Sith died she could maybe take the position by default (kinda like Lumiya did), but it'd be a tenuous connection. As opposed to non-existant, like when she first claimed to be Sith.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
Spoiler:
She was trained as an Emperor's Hand.
hahaha, cause a apprentice who is scared shitless of his master can train "shadow hand"...no.Shadow hand is a rank of the ruleing sith of a cult of dark siders.they were the ones who resurected maul and there leader darth millenai(idk how to spell his name)was darth cognus's apprentice aka darth Zannaha's apprentice.

The Sith and Dark Jedi had two different agendas.

Sith followed a set of rules. Rule of two for example. One apprentice, one master. One to embrace the power and one to crave it.

A dark Jedi may have not given two shits about the code. They were really just out for themselves. A dark side force user didn't really care about galactic domination, while a Sith did.

The main difference here is that a dark Jedi would be contempt living out his days in seclusion while a Sith would always be looking at the bigger picture.

Sources: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil, and Legacy of the Force: Tempest

Originally posted by akpwnz
Sith followed a set of rules. Rule of two for example. One apprentice, one master. One to embrace the power and one to crave it.
Except during the Golden Age. And Exar Kun's empire. And Revan's empire. And the True Sith. And the Brotherhood of Darkness.

Originally posted by akpwnz
A dark Jedi may have not given two shits about the code. They were really just out for themselves. A dark side force user didn't really care about galactic domination, while a Sith did.
Except for Joruus C'baoth. And Hethrir. And Desann. And Jerec. And Tavion. And Cronal. And others who I never cared to remember off hand.

EDIT: Looked them up: And Brakiss. And Kueller.

Dark Jedi lack a philosophy; unlike Sith, they lack an understanding about the necessity to follow the Dark Side of the Force. They see the dark side as a steroid that can grant them new powers. However, they will never reach the full potential of their dark abilities.

Yes, Anakin Skywalker fell to the Dark Side because of his selfish desire to prolong Padme's life. But he also saw many flaws in the world he was living in. When he became Sidious's apprentice, I feel he believed in Uthar Wyn's statement, "Without strife, your victory has no meaning. Without strife, you do not advance. Without strife, there is only stagnation."

And as for galactic domination, Dark Jedi would only care to satisfy their whims. Sith aim for domination because conflict is the key to change and evolution. And in a society run by Sith, only the strongest would prevail.