Originally posted by celestialdemon
He was also wrong about being the balance between everything, as stated by the LT.
Uhm he PROVED IT ON PANEL by summoning Death and ordering her around! If he's only the balance between Order and Chaos how did he order around Death?
This incident was cemented as canon when later during the Thanos Quest, Thanos makes mention of the incident and IB confirms he can stay Death's hand.
But he failed to kill Galactus which is backed by his owN assessement that Galactus has no opposite. Even if IB were his opposite, he failed to kill Galactus. He stops at 7.
The UN would kill him aswell. It can delete a concept like abraxas. Also if you want to bring up alternate universes, in universe x the un erased death.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
But he failed to kill Galactus which is backed by his owN assessement that Galactus has no opposite. Even if IB were his opposite, he failed to kill Galactus. He stops at 7.The UN would kill him aswell. It can delete a concept like abraxas. Also if you want to bring up alternate universes, in universe x the un erased death.
The IB was WINNING the fight until the Elders/Heralds/FF got involved!
The writing was confusing. At first he claims Galactus is "unique in this or any other universe" then comes to the realization that he himself is Galactus' opposite (Galactus is the third force, balancing Death/Eternity in 616 and the IB himself was the third force , balancing Order/Chaos in the Magic Universe. But this again has problems since he's the balancing force for ALL dualities. He showed it with the way he handled Death on panel.)
How would the Nullifier work against someone who both exists everywhere and exits nowhere? Death != Oblivion. When Quasar was nullified he didn't go to Death's realm. He went to Oblivion. When Quasar asked if he was dead, Oblivion answered : No not dead, worse. Nullified.
Originally posted by zopzophe didnt prove shit on panel, this is terrible logic. he isnt the balance of life and death, the fact that he could force death to do something only has to do with his power to summon an entity's contrarian force. he is a creation of chaos and order to act as the balancing force between them, he does not sit above them or G, let alone the higher abstracts in the cosmic compass.
Uhm he PROVED IT ON PANEL by summoning Death and ordering her around! If he's only the balance between Order and Chaos how did he order around Death?This incident was cemented as canon when later during the Thanos Quest, Thanos makes mention of the incident and IB confirms he can stay Death's hand.
Originally posted by 753
he didnt prove shit on panel, this is terrible logic. he isnt the balance of life and death, the fact that he could force death to do something only has to do with his power to summon an entity's contrarian force. he is a creation of chaos and order to act as the balancing force between them, he does not sit above them or G, let alone the higher abstracts in the cosmic compass.
He himself said on panel that he was the balancing point between ALL dualities and then went on to prove it. How else could he summon Death and force her to act AGAINST her will then dismiss her like a cheap whore?
Originally posted by 753
no he isnt. the LT is and if the IB could fulfill the role of Galactus, G wouldnt be necessary, but guess what! he is. deal with it
The LT is the JUDGE of the multiverse not the balancing force between dualities. Unless you got something that says otherwise.
And Galactus' role is all over the place. First he's 616's version of the IB (which makes no sense even in the story itself) then he's only around because he holds back Abraxas (even this isn't true anymore since Abraxas was nullified).
Originally posted by zopzop
The LT is the JUDGE of the multiverse not the balancing force between dualities. Unless you got something that says otherwise.And Galactus' role is all over the place. First he's 616's version of the IB (which makes no sense even in the story itself) then he's only around because he holds back Abraxas (even this isn't true anymore since Abraxas was nullified).
In between has never been able to slay an abstract level being by his actions. He was able to slay the elders...
But he hasn't shown that his power actually triumphs over others on his level.
Death in the thanos quest scene was embarrassed at the affront. That doesn't mean that he will repeat the feat. Galactus also in the past showed that he feared the ultimate nullifier... The Abraxas saga shows us his indifference to it... Something even Abraxas feared.
Even if he was facing death instead of galactus... Trying to defeat her would at best summon either eternity or infinity... And you can't be assured that the powers or either abstracts blast would destroy death...
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Regarding the Death thing, Thanos told the IB that he wanted to leave Death's services (he lied to gain IB's trust) but not before he found someone powerful enough to save him from her wrath, and the IB said he could do it.
The IB is very confusing power wise. Ever since the Thanos Quest he's been written WAY WAY down. I've been looking at his fights since that story and let's just say he doesn't fill me with confidence anymore. As of now, I don't think he'd last 10 minutes vs Galactus.
So "Classic" I still think he can make it pass 7 and 8 even. But "current" I don't see him getting pass 2 or 3.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, you've been arguing that alternate galactus are equivilant to the 616 version... so surely that should go for IB as well, right?
Nah I was arguing the IB's statement that Galactus was "unique in this or any other universe" wasn't true since we've seen alternate reality versions of him.
