The Great Evil Beast Vs Cosmic Armor Superman

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I feel the GEB has to be as powerful as the Presence or greater. I remember reading an old comic where spectre and a bunch of other people. (etirgan & fate was there) trying to prevent GEB from emerging through this portal. There were a bnunch of demons and monsters trying to prevent GEB along witht he Spectre but what was coming through was a size of a mountian. They said it was but a finger or fraction of the GEB and no one was able to stop it. Not sure how that ended. BUt basically GEB aint nothing to **** with if you aint a legit supreme being.

The GEB is the evil half of the Presence. They merged to become complete. Before that, they should have been equals

Originally posted by Galan007
Personally, I've always equated the PM as the canvas --the medium-- through which the Supreme Being(s) (the writers) are able to illustrate their thoughts. The mind of the writers made manifest, if you will. Just my opinion.

I'd say they're more powerful than the concepts within the story, which include 'characters' like the Presence, Lucifer, Spectre etc.

Originally posted by Philosophía
And the supreme thoughts - ideas, at the edge of the stories, are represented by Mandrakk (entropy, the ultimate end of all stories) and Cosmic Superman (the defender of the concept of story, the ultimate hero).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
and amazingly the chaos king and the arc he was in managed to out-lame that tripe

Originally posted by Cogito
From my point of view, we don't have enough information to determine whether the Primal Monitor is greater than the Presence. He very well might be, or he might even be the Presence.

As I said before: The Presence was very much aware of the original multiverse's existence- he was directly responsible for creating it, after all. The Primal Monitor, on the other hand, is so vast that it did not even notice the multiverse had manifested within itself until well after it was established. Once it did notice the multiverse, it only registered as a germ in comparison to the PM's totality. An infinite amount of universes. A germ. Simply unreal.

^ I don't buy that the Presence and PM are the same either, just mentioning it as a possibility in the shitshow that is DC cosmics.

Maybe the Primal Monitor is greater than the Presence, but I just don't buy the idea of anything within the multiverse being greater than the Presence (or the Great Evil Beast for that matter)

I thought the GEB existed before the Presence??????

Originally posted by Cogito
^ I don't buy that the Presence and PM are the same either, just mentioning it as a possibility in the shitshow that is DC cosmics.

Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe the Primal Monitor is greater than the Presence, but I just don't buy the idea of anything within the multiverse being greater than the Presence (or the Great Evil Beast for that matter)

Originally posted by Galan007
DC cosmology is pretty organized, imo.

Organized? I still don't know of a clear explanation for:
The Source
Synnar vs. Luci/Michael
Primal Monitor
Actual power/ability of the Endless
Where the Life (white) Entity fits into creation
Powers/abilities of Monitors other than Mandrakk
What of the Lucifer series can be considered applicable in the DC Multiverse (I don't consider it canon, but I personally I believe everything that happened could happen)
etc...

If you've got thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

Originally posted by Galan007 The Primal Monitor isn't within the multiverse, the multiverse is within it.

Originally posted by Cogito
Organized? I still don't know of a clear explanation for:
The Source
Synnar vs. Luci/Michael
Primal Monitor
Actual power/ability of the Endless
Where the Life (white) Entity fits into creation
Powers/abilities of Monitors other than Mandrakk
What of the Lucifer series can be considered applicable in the DC Multiverse (I don't consider it canon, but I personally I believe everything that happened could happen)
etc...

If you've got thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

I realize the Primal Monitor is not within the Multiverse, but Mandrakk was.

Originally posted by Cogito
Organized? I still don't know of a clear explanation for:
The Source
Synnar vs. Luci/Michael
Primal Monitor
Actual power/ability of the Endless
Where the Life (white) Entity fits into creation
Powers/abilities of Monitors other than Mandrakk
What of the Lucifer series can be considered applicable in the DC Multiverse (I don't consider it canon, but I personally I believe everything that happened could happen)
etc...

If you've got thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

...But fyi, events in the Lucifer series do not apply to mainstream DC. They're considered completely separate continuities.

Originally posted by Cogito
I realize the Primal Monitor is not within the Multiverse, but Mandrakk was.

But you're right- as powerful as they were, the Presence was obviously still more powerful.

Originally posted by Galan007
I posted a version of my DC hierarchy in the Comic Books forum.

...But fyi, events in the Lucifer series do not apply to mainstream DC. They're considered completely separate continuities.

Imo, both Mandrakk and CA Superman were as close to having Presence-level power as you can get without actually being the Presence.

But you're right- as powerful as they were, the Presence was obviously still more powerful.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I thought because some of the characters who crossed into it acknowledging prior events of the series made it cannon.

For instance: Lucifer/Michael created the Vertigo-verse. Synnar created the mainstream DCU.

Originally posted by Galan007
I posted a version of my DC hierarchy in the Comic Books forum.

Tried looking for it, couldn't find it.

PS: Synnar sucks. Also, the Presence leaving Lucifer and being replaced by Elaine is clearly not in continuity with mainstream DC.

Originally posted by Cogito
Tried looking for it, couldn't find it.

Originally posted by Cogito
PS: Synnar sucks. Also, the Presence leaving Lucifer and being replaced by Elaine is clearly not in continuity with mainstream DC.

Synnar was a creation of Jim Starlin right?

Gosh that guy can't do anything right.

Right on both counts.

Starlin also did the whole "Classic Beyonder's supposed to be > TOAA" or some shit, right?

Originally posted by Harbinger
Starlin also did the whole "Classic Beyonder's supposed to be > TOAA" or some shit, right?

That was Jim Shooter, who was also the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Shooter

F*cking Jims.