Originally posted by Prep-Man
Manhunter can absorb the earth to get more powerful, plus has better strength lifting feats, anyway.
But would you consider J'onn's lifting feats to put him on the same level as Bill's striking power? Granted, J'onn is obviously strong enough to ensure his fists will hurt, but Bill sans Stormbreaker is a Class 100+ on par with Thor. With it, his striking power becomes something else entirely.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But would you consider J'onn's lifting feats to put him on the same level as Bill's striking power? Granted, J'onn is obviously strong enough to ensure his fists will hurt, but Bill sans Stormbreaker is a Class 100+ on par with Thor. With it, his striking power becomes something else entirely.
I think MM's striking power is on the same level, tbh, but MM has too many powers to lose. Has Bill ever knocked out a phased being that can phase in another dimension? Can he fight off planetary Telepathy on MM level?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think MM's striking power is on the same level, tbh, but MM has too many powers to lose. Has Bill ever knocked out a phased being that can phase in another dimension? Can he fight off planetary Telepathy on MM level?
Has MM ever withstood a hit on Bills caliber. Their striking power isn't on the same level at all...not even close.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think MM's striking power is on the same level, tbh, but MM has too many powers to lose. Has Bill ever knocked out a phased being that can phase in another dimension? Can he fight off planetary Telepathy on MM level?
We'll have to disagree on the striking power, then. J'onn's definitely strong enough to matter physically, but I for one haven't seen incredibly impressive striking/sheer destructive force with his blows at least on par with BRB. Mjolnir has shown to effect and attack beings out of phase before, so I'd wager Stormbreaker would do the same. Bill's TP resistance is something that's a gray area as he's not really been on the receiving end of many psychic assaults, so I won't say he could shrug off J'onn's telepathy with ease or anything.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
We'll have to disagree on the striking power, then. J'onn's definitely strong enough to matter physically, but I for one haven't seen incredibly impressive striking/sheer destructive force with his blows at least on par with BRB. Mjolnir has shown to effect and attack beings out of phase before, so I'd wager Stormbreaker would do the same. Bill's TP resistance is something that's a gray area as he's not really been on the receiving end of many psychic assaults, so I won't say he could shrug off J'onn's telepathy with ease or anything.
Well, if we haven't seen BRB do it, then it's not going to work in the forums. MM was strong enough to stagger Supes. In a fist fight, I'd go with BRB. He's more durable and whatnot, but we know it's not going to get to that. Jonzz has mind controlled the JLA and would do the same to Bill.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, if we haven't seen BRB do it, then it's not going to work in the forums. MM was strong enough to stagger Supes. In a fist fight, I'd go with BRB. He's more durable and whatnot, but we know it's not going to get to that. Jonzz has mind controlled the JLA and would do the same to Bill.
I don't disagree with this.
It depends on how the fight pans out, imo. It's very plausible that J'onn goes for telepathy on the onset for the victory. If he decides a physical route, then BRB is going to beat him, imo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He did? Vance Astro barely staggered him with a cheap shot telepathic blast.
Vance Astro is a pussy, and was it telepathy or focused psionic energy?
Anyway, Bill gets KTFO'd by psychic attack in Thor 411, and put on his knees and rendered helpless by it again in Thor 413.
^ Is there a difference worth noting?
Originally posted by Martian_mindWouldn't a telepathic blast be focused psionic energy?
Vance Astro is a pussy, and was it telepathy or focused psionic energy?Anyway, Bill gets KTFO'd by psychic attack in Thor 411, and put on his knees and rendered helpless by it again in Thor 413.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Is there a difference worth noting? Wouldn't a telepathic blast be focused psionic energy?
If I'm wrong, Martian_mind will correct me. But I think he meant that the "focused psionic attack" was a telekinetic bolt not a telepathic attack. Vance, unless something changed, never displayed ANY telepathic ability only psychokinesis (GotG version) and telekinesis (616 version).
EDIT :
Forgot to answer your question, yes. Psychokinesis seemed like a more limited version of telekinesis. He used it to move things around (Vance of GotG universe) and one time to create a platform to lower his team mates down a rift. He never did things like form force field domes, fly, etc...