Caught on Tape: Police Beat and Taser 'Gentle' Mentally-Ill Homeless Man to Death

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Can you see that in the video, because I can't? I don't know what happened, I wasn't there and I can't see that in the video, but I sincerely doubt that he was lying there still on his stomach and the cops decided "Lets call five patrol cars in for back up and then taze this f@cker in front of those witnesses!" The report says he was resisting arrest, and got in a fight with the police officers and some of them suffered broken bones. So he was actively fighting with the cops at some point, that is the type of "context" I'm talking about. What I know is that I've seen five cops have trouble restraining an 18 year old woman before. She was a big (BIG) girl and mad as hell, but still it can be extremely difficult to restrain an individual if they are actively resisting. I don't know the intimacies of police procedure, but if someone is struggling to be restrained, tazing them doesn't seem out of line. It's unfortunate that he ended up dying, but I don't think the police are culpable.

Watch it again and get back to me.

Now I'm embarrassed. I can't make out what those nebulous black blobs are doing because I don't have super vision like you, Mindset. 🙁

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Its just one of the many cases of police brutality.

Which people always mistaken for when it is not.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Now I'm embarrassed. I can't make out what those nebulous black blobs are doing because I don't have super vision like you, Mindset. 🙁

Originally posted by Mindset
Can you make out English?

Yes, but I've also seen actual arrests before in person so I know that the onlookers all shout the same bs ("He didn't do nothing!" "Police brutality!" ect ect) regardless of what is actually happening.

under what circumstances do you think beating a man, who is on the ground restrained by several officers, to death is justified as a responsible use of force by the police?

Originally posted by inimalist
under what circumstances do you think beating a man, who is on the ground restrained by several officers, to death is justified as a responsible use of force by the police?

Correction: beaten and tazed to death. 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, but I've also seen actual arrests before in person so I know that the onlookers all shout the same bs ("He didn't do nothing!" "Police brutality!" ect ect) regardless of what is actually happening.

So when they say the guy is laying on his stomach with a cop on his back, what do you think is actually happening?

Come on, srank...I shouldn't even have to be explaining this.

Originally posted by inimalist
under what circumstances do you think beating a man, who is on the ground restrained by several officers, to death is justified as a responsible use of force by the police?

They tazed a resisting suspect, it's unfortunate that he ended up dieing, but he should have stopped struggling after they tazed him the first time. This seems like it has more to do with the mentally-ill homeless problem then police brutality.

ah

the RCMP report I mentioned earlier actually recommended banning the use of tasers by officers because of the misconception that they are safe. officers believe they are non lethal and use them as a method of forcing compliance, and such aggressive use has lead to many needless deaths. the people who market tasers are at some fault in this.

Originally posted by inimalist
ah

the RCMP report I mentioned earlier actually recommended banning the use of tasers by officers because of the misconception that they are safe. officers believe they are non lethal and use them as a method of forcing compliance, and such aggressive use has lead to many needless deaths. the people who market tasers are at some fault in this.

That's true, there is a misconception about the safety of a taser and they are used pretty liberally. That said in the big picture the amount of people that die from it is pretty low, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the deaths didn't also have something to do with persistent health problems.

That makes me a bit sick. Even if he was resisting arrest does it really take six men to subdue one, and was there a need to beat and taser him while doing it? I don't think so.

Originally posted by The Pict
does it really take six men to subdue one

If you want the smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved, yes it does.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you want the smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved, yes it does.

The smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved...except the guy who died in the hospital a few days later? That was excessive force, and it wasn't needed in my opinion.

Originally posted by The Pict
The smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved...except the guy who died in the hospital a few days later? That was excessive force, and it wasn't needed in my opinion.

ok, just think about it though

a one on one fight, officer versus person, the officer has to use much more force than they would with 3-4 other people helping them

that the officers went overboard in this situation is really not evidence that less police should try to subdue someone. In an optimal situation, 2-3 officers would reasonably use force to contain a suspect. If only one officer tried, you are almost certainly going to see a use of strikes, throws, etc, where 3-4 officers would have no difficulty controlling your limbs, strikes and throws being much more dangerous

Originally posted by The Pict
The smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved...except the guy who died in the hospital a few days later? That was excessive force, and it wasn't needed in my opinion.

I would say that, at this point, you don't even have to state that that is your opinion: it's a fact. ✅

It was definitely excessive force because he died from it.

Originally posted by The Pict
The smallest amount of harm done to everyone involved...except the guy who died in the hospital a few days later? That was excessive force, and it wasn't needed in my opinion.

That's because he was beaten and tasered, not because six people were used to subdue him. An equal amount of beating and tasering from one or two person would have had the same effect.

Despite the obvious use of excessive force, tasers, 6-on-1 and the guy's face looking like a rotten tomato, the cops will walk away with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

Victim is white and homeless, no ones really going to make a stink about it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Despite the obvious use of excessive force, tasers, 6-on-1 and the guy's face looking like a rotten tomato, the cops will walk away with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

Victim is white and homeless, no ones really going to make a stink about it.

Why bring up his race? Just curious.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Why bring up his race? Just curious.

when similar things happen to black people the media is able to sell the racial angle, and it is more likely the police will feel forced into reprimanding the officers

there is a chance that the mentally ill angle would play out in a similar way here