Surtur with Twilight Sword VS Galactus

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Anyone else getting tired of all the Skyfather wanking and Cosmic jobbing that seems to be Marvel's idea of good writing lately?

Galactus as he's presently being written would probably lose.

More accurately, Marvel finally stopped jobbing the Odin and wanking Cosmic Entities.

Don't understand all the bitching. Aside from the fact that Odin is not doing anything that should be beyond his power, he's most likely going to come out looking worse in round 2.

I just hope Galactus has to resort to some outside help like his Worldship so I can still have some fun when it's all said and done. The mere notion that Odin can put up a good fight against Galactus is rejected so as long as it's close, I'm good.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I'm talking about how he's been written since after Annihilation.

be interesting to see what g could do against the sword, or what would happen if he was impaled. g would likely still win this fight. surtur w/twilight was about even with odin. i think g will likely be the winner in the 'big fight', but like rage said, nothing odin's done should surprise anyone. and ffs, stop saying abstracts>>>>>skyfathers. friggin quasar defeated an abstract (anomaly). malestrom, as an agent of oblivion, actually ASSUMED ANOMALY's powers and station! the big thing with abstracts is that they can't PERMANENTLY die. they'll simply generate a new m-body. skyfathers CAN die. aside from that, there is no 'inherent' reason AT ALL that an abstract needs to be greater than a skyfather.

NO REASON AT ALL.

in the case of anomaly, he wasn't even BORN an abstract entity! it simply perceived an empty conceptual niche and formed itself to fill it. pretty awe-inspiring..... clearly such a being MUST be leagues above a petty skyfather....

please.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
More accurately, Marvel finally stopped jobbing the Odin and wanking Cosmic Entities.

Don't understand all the bitching. Aside from the fact that Odin is not doing anything that should be beyond his power, he's most likely going to come out looking worse in round 2.

I just hope Galactus has to resort to some outside help like his Worldship so I can still have some fun when it's all said and done. The mere notion that Odin can put up a good fight against Galactus is rejected so as long as it's close, I'm good.

QFT.

Seriously, it doesn't make sense; it's like Fraction has kidnapped people's parents and is holding them ransom or some shit.

Originally posted by leonidas
be interesting to see what g could do against the sword, or what would happen if he was impaled. g would likely still win this fight. surtur w/twilight was about even with odin. i think g will likely be the winner in the 'big fight', but like rage said, nothing odin's done should surprise anyone. and ffs, stop saying abstracts>>>>>skyfathers. friggin quasar defeated an abstract (anomaly). malestrom, as an agent of oblivion, actually ASSUMED ANOMALY's powers and station! the big thing with abstracts is that they can't PERMANENTLY die. they'll simply generate a new m-body. skyfathers CAN die. aside from that, there is no 'inherent' reason AT ALL that an abstract needs to be greater than a skyfather.

NO REASON AT ALL.

in the case of anomaly, he wasn't even BORN an abstract entity! it simply perceived an empty conceptual niche and formed itself to fill it. pretty awe-inspiring..... clearly such a being MUST be leagues above a petty skyfather....

please.

👆

Shit, if we took Odin's feats, changed his name and background, but kept his power level the same, people would have slapped the "cosmic being/abstract" label on him years ago.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Abstracts > Skyfathers. Therefore, it was never wanking.

Galactus is not an abstract, so I guess you have nothing to complain about.

Wanking cosmics how, exactly? You mean whoring out Eternity and turning Big E into a jobber? Galactus getting blasted across a moon by Thanos?

Other than Big G's showing during Annihilation (stalemating Tenebrous while hungry before getting cheap-shotted, wiping out three star systems and damn near all of the A-fleet, etc.), how have abstracts cosmics been wanked (and hell, Annihilation wasn't wanking, it was how Big G should be portrayed)?

Abstracts should be >>>>> Skyfathers.

Accept it, noobs.

I need to see Odin get the shit beat out of him soon.

He makes me hate the skyfather label.

then stop thinking of it as a label and look at the character and his history.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I need to see Odin get the shit beat out of him soon.

He makes me hate the skyfather label.

Because he's doing well against Galactus, thus violating cosmic fanboy doctrine.

Open wide and take your medicine.

Originally posted by Wodenson
Galactus is not an abstract, so I guess you have nothing to complain about.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
More accurately, Marvel finally stopped jobbing the Odin and wanking Cosmic Entities.

Don't understand all the bitching. Aside from the fact that Odin is not doing anything that should be beyond his power, he's most likely going to come out looking worse in round 2.

I just hope Galactus has to resort to some outside help like his Worldship so I can still have some fun when it's all said and done. The mere notion that Odin can put up a good fight against Galactus is rejected so as long as it's close, I'm good.

Personally, I hope Odin just pulls out the scepter of power and messes Galactus up with it.

Than we can enjoy the bitching from the usual suspects, and enjoy the fact that they can reject whatever they want, canonically it happened. ^_^

Originally posted by cdtm
Personally, I hope Odin just pulls out the scepter of power and messes Galactus up with it.

Than we can enjoy the bitching from the usual suspects, and enjoy the fact that they can reject whatever they want, canonically it happened. ^_^

Originally posted by h1a8
Canonically a lot of dumb stuff happens. But that classifies it as PIS or SvFL.

I classify you as PIS or SvFL.

Originally posted by h1a8
Canonically a lot of dumb stuff happens. But that classifies it as PIS or SvFL.

Sometimes I wonder why I continue to debate these things; perhaps I'm insane...

Anyway, since illogic apparently reigns supreme in the world of comics, I can see this being a close fight...

But if logic was a factor (and sadly it isnt) Sutur would get spite stomped here; no Earthly deity should have a snowballs chance in hell against a being that is the middle force between two major universal abstracts...

I, too, am tired of all the Skyfather wanking that goes on in Marvel; in Marvel, Earth based deities are mighty beyond belief while Abstracts and Semi-Abstracts (like Eternity and Galactus respectively) job on a regular basis and dont use a fraction of the intellect or knowledge they have accumulated when making decisions...

You must have a serious problem with how Galactus has been portrayed in the last 40 years.

Originally posted by Wodenson
You must have a serious problem with how Galactus has been portrayed in the last 40 years.

I do...

Most of his showings are cringe inducing; Marvel uses him because he is a popular character and people like him, but they job him repeatedly to make other characters important to the story or use him as a punching bag to show off how badass someone or something else is...

Very rarely do his showings do justice to what he's supposed to be...

And Marvel treats Eternity even worse than Galactus, but makes a mere Skyfather like Odin consistently badass...

Its ridiculous...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Very rarely do his showings do justice to what he's supposed to be...

The way he's supposed to be is the way he's been portrayed in comics since his creation.

And Marvel treats Eternity even worse than Galactus, but makes a mere Skyfather like Odin consistently badass...

What are you talking about? Barring one or two incidents, Odin has been in a perpetual slump since 1970 or so. One writer finally decides to dust off his original power level and cosmic fans get chafed? Cry me a river.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby intended for Odin and Galactus to be on the same level, as suggested by their classic run in MIGHTY THOR vol. 1.

I will chime in here to add this. Skyfather levels are just something the fans made up as a ranking system on battleboards and writers honestly couldn't care less. The fairest most objective way to view this is what the writer gives us. If Odin beats Galactus then this writer views Odin as superior for whatever reason and I will accept it until another writer changes it.

This whole he's an abstract he wins or he's a skyfather he wins, he's multiversal, etc. is silly and suspends debate.

If someone can shut down a multiversal beings' mind then he can beat that person. This is in theory mind you. So all of these battle debates should be ultimately determined by their abilities, what's in character, and how they stack up against each other.