Star Wars will lose it's relevancy in our lifetime

Originally posted by Impediment
You make a very valid point, Korto. However, I must again resort to the "point of perspective" argument. The "righteous cause" was from one entirely opposit perspective. Were the 5,000+ innocent people who died in the 9/11 attacks "just a liability of war"? Just like the WTC innocents who died from the plans of "insane" foreign terrorists, would you lump the innocents in with the Death Star victims?

Kind of a faulty analogy. The innocents of 9/11 weren't inside a giant super-weapon that destroys planets. They were attacked without cause or blame and they're deaths weren't necessary or in service to a higher good. They weren't an immediate threat to anyone lie the Death Star was.

The innocent people on the Death Star however, very much were collateral damage. There was simply no feasible way to get them off the Death Star and destroy it at the same time. Should Luke have waited for them to vacate the premises before attacking it? Well he seriously didn't have that luxury now did he?

Originally posted by Impediment
I apologize for my absence. I have been extraordinarily busy and haven't had ample time to rebut.

I'll be online soon to make a post.

Ah, take your time. I look forward to continuing this conversation.

We'll be waiting.

There were no innocent people on the Death Star- that's the point. You are discussing the wrong franchise if you want to get into that moral argument.

And if you do wish to carry that argument on, please create a new thread with a relevant title, thanks.

Why are people saying the empire was stable?

It was completely racist to non-humans, and sexist to women. Unless you were in the imperial military you were not happy.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
There were no innocent people on the Death Star- that's the point. You are discussing the wrong franchise if you want to get into that moral argument.

And if you do wish to carry that argument on, please create a new thread with a relevant title, thanks.

Hmm....the Empire as a whole and what it stood for was portrayed as completely evil. And the Rebel Alliance and their aim for a democratic Republic was portrayed as completely good.

I agree that nobody was innocent on the Death Star, but Impediment has a point that the vast majority of them may not have been morally depraved the core even though the SW Universe portrays them as such.

Unless Lucas intended everyone on the Death Star to be analogous to Schutzstaffel, then I think the moral argument Impediment and I had is valid.

It reminds me of that extended scene from the LOTR:TT, where Faramir comments on the dead Haradrim soldier:

"The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he came from. And if he was really evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home. If he would not rather have stayed there ... in peace. War will make corpses of us all."

Please open up a new thread on it like I requested if you want to discuss it, thank you.

You heard the man.

Originally posted by Zabrak
think of all the characters, weapons, planets, scenes, lines...all the classic top tier **** that was in the classic films. That's the stuff that's been constantly referenced in pop culture and in conversation since the franchise debuted in '77

there's basically none of that in the prequels. So, less pop culture will spawn off the newer ****, and that means less people will be familiar with star wars. people can't just live off the original three films forever. It's not something that's easy to enjoy like the Beatles catalog or something. Film is entirely different.

Can't agree, many Star Wars elements from the OT are still talked about a lot in reference to the genre. Nothing has really competed with Star Wars except for Star Trek and its a give and take situation with those two. SW owns the EU and perhaps the quality of the movies as well as cartoons/animations/games while ST owns the quantity of movies and the tv programme arena.

Who is going to forget the characters? I won't go into them all but I hardly think that they can be forgotten so easily, with the EU continuing their stories perfectly well. Many still have what you could call 'iconic' status with readily identifiable names and looks.

For weapons think of the lightsaber, a weapon that's still one of the coolest fictional weapons out there - can't think of a sci-fi weapon of its type that puts that into the background. That could be also because swords are more elegant and a perfectly choreographed swordfight can be mesmerising and memorable but even though 'laser swords' have been done in other things (mainly books) I think its still more commonly associated with SW. I'll agree that blasters are bit generic and the only other weapon I can think of is the Thermal Detonator (how powerful are these anyway?) but the lightsaber still rules.

Planets, again, readily identifiable but even more so are the ships; Millenium Falcon, X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Star Destroyer, the Death Star etc. Nothing has replaced these and nothing probably will. Where's the competition? Again you have the ships from Star Trek, they are prominent and they have just as many types and classes of ships that SW has explored through the EU and that hasn't put SW in the shade.

Scenes and lines? No way, as long as someone watches them from any available dvd and like them they will continue to be memorable. Because of the nature of generational catching up there is always going to be scenes or twists that are spoiled but they are spoiled because they are popular and continuously referenced.

Phew, okay Lucas, wheres my cheque for all that loyalty and publicity?

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Originally posted by Zabrak
people will lose interest if there's nothing worth being interested in

i can't believe he dropped the ball on the prequels man. another 3 classic star wars films?
wow that would have boosted it's relevancy for another three generations EASILY

think of all the characters, weapons, planets, scenes, lines...all the classic top tier **** that was in the classic films. That's the stuff that's been constantly referenced in pop culture and in conversation since the franchise debuted in '77

there's basically none of that in the prequels. So, less pop culture will spawn off the newer ****, and that means less people will be familiar with star wars. people can't just live off the original three films forever. It's not something that's easy to enjoy like the Beatles catalog or something. Film is entirely different.

God, it's insane. I hope he tries again with three other films, this time with competent top tier directors.

Well, turns out you got your wish.

STAR WARS owns the realm of EU? Are you serious?? Star Trek has done an INCREDIBLE job of maintaining it's continuity (aside from the recent timeline change which still works) while the EU in Star Wars is immensely disjointed. I would say however that Star Wars EU is vastly more entertaining than Star Trek EU.

The prequel trilogy was so boring that I remember almost nothing about it.

You remembered that it was boring. That's a start.

he did say "almost"

yeah man those cooks and outsourced janitors on the death star were pure evil!

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Originally posted by Tzeentch._
yeah man those cooks and outsourced janitors on the death star were pure evil!

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i think the reason nobody made a seperate thread is because nobody really cares whether the locust-men were good or evil. thats what happens when a story lacks compelling villains and replaces them with swarms of cgi cartoons.

So they talk about it here??? Weird

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i think the reason nobody made a seperate thread is because nobody really cares whether the locust-men were good or evil. thats what happens when a story lacks compelling villains and replaces them with swarms of cgi cartoons.

Yeah...kind of like Storm Troopers from the OT.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...kind of like Storm Troopers from the OT.

actually thats nothing even remotely related to cgi cartoons