Star Wars will lose it's relevancy in our lifetime

I had more time so I can reply to the other stuff:

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Phew I thought there was a possibility that you were actually serious til now.. good one you had me going for a while there.
Excellent sardonicism.

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Fixed.

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Maybe you'll try spinning...thats a good trick....

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well if you no longer wanted to be taken seriously on these boards, thats all you had to say. This elaborate trolling/simulated nervous breakdown was totally unnecessary.

Yes, being taken "seriously" on these boards is serious business, right? Oh, wait...it's not. Almost all of your post is un-serious immaturity. The break down is when you posted nothing but an immature reply.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Most of it was. Even the worst of the OT lines looked like Ingmar Bergman's 'The Seventh Seal' next to the PT's average lines and depthless recitals.

Only some. Your opinion on this matter is poor to me and is definitely hypocritically biased.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The ramblings of a madman. Well we have all seen the PT thrice also. And thats why we know that it is shit compared to OT.

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was better than PT acting.

You mean to say that it was better in your hypocritical opinion, to be accurate.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Most of it was not passable.

I agree that the OT's acting was mostly not passable. However, we didn't enjoy the OT for the acting, now did we?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh, you are? Ok.

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And making people laugh intentionally was something that the PT could never achieve.

And yet, the theater busted up laughing at several parts in all 3 PT films. I believe that state you are in is either denial or you were just being immature, again.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yoda looked WAY better as a hand puppet in the OT compared to the abortional monstrosity that was in TPM.
You are obviously blind if you think that the PT didnt look like a FMV CGI part of a video game...

That's your horrible and disgusting opinion, of course, but it is not a fact. You go ahead and think hand-puppets looked "so convincing", "so real", and "long lasting special effects!" The very topic that you're talking about it just so plain dumb. I mean, really...you're arguing that a friggin' hand puppet is an amazing, long lasting, special effect that still looks "real". This thought...it...painful to endure. I mean, really? Really......? 😬

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And do you STILL find him hilarious now that you aren't 5, and now that you've seen PT more than 6 times?
You think that about people because you find it easier to thank that than to face the fact that you obviously have no taste.

I did laugh, a couple of months back, when JarJar got kicked in the nuts by that robot. That's when I rewatched the PT with my kids. Good times. The kids thought it was funny, too. But I love slapstick humor. I still find the 3-Stooges funny. 😐

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes it says that you've never seen it.

Immature.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And this is why you no longer have to be regarded as serious. Trollyboy. PT's plotholes are so extensive that for someone to say that, they obviously need to visit Red Letter Media and watch the reviews in order for those points to be made clear to them. Watch the reviews, come back here and tell me you have the same opinion with a straight face.

I'm trolling but you're the one that keeps trying to force the idea that I'm not serious when I've held this same position on KMC since 2006 when I first started posting. "OMG, guyz, don't take this guy sewious! He must be trowing, fer sher!" 6+ years later, making the same points, over and over, and you still think it is "trolling"? 😬 I mean, I've argued this stuff for pages and pages with Queeq...and you still will pretend it is trolling?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh boy, you've really convinced me that my opinion on which trilogy I like better is factually wrong. 😬

I did not read any of your post. All the points you brought up last time were rubbish, lame, or fail. Just face it: the same reasons you pretend to hate the PT are the same reasons you should hate the OT. You can't have your cake and eat it too. All the same arguments for why you hate the PT can be correctly applied to the OT.

Try me...but without all of the lengthy whining. Give me one point...not a thousand. I'll show you how it can be applied to the OT.

Edit - Lucien, I feel that every last one of you is part of a troll mob. It is simply a troll-meme to hate the PT. It is some massive, weird, hypocritical, and borderline delusional mob thing that I have observed. Lately, it is getting worse and worse. I consider that entire lot, trolls. Trolls of Star Wars. Mostly just children throwing fits that they would have thrown no matter the outcome. Almost all of you were children when you saw the OT for the first time. Children.

You don't think there's a level of hypocrisy inherent in saying that, and yet at the same time dissing the OT? Obviously I'm not trying to offend you; I just find it hard to believe that you believe what you believe.

Is it your right to believe it? Sure. Is it right? No, I don't think so.

I don't hate the PT. I have my issues with it, but it's still Star Wars. It will always be special to me.

But I have sat and watched both trilogies, and I find the OT more watchable because it's superior in pacing, acting, writing, directing etc.

At least, how I see it.

I am morbidly curious as to why you think the PT has a better story/mythos, though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I had more time so I can reply to the other stuff:

Immature.

Immature.

Immature.

Yes, being taken "seriously" on these boards is serious business, right? Oh, wait...it's not. Almost all of your post is un-serious immaturity. The break down is when you posted nothing but an immature reply.

Only some. Your opinion on this matter is poor to me and is definitely hypocritically biased.

Immature.

You mean to say that it was better in your hypocritical opinion, to be accurate.

I agree that the OT's acting was mostly not passable. However, we didn't enjoy the OT for the acting, now did we?

Immature.

And yet, the theater busted up laughing at several parts in all 3 PT films. I believe that state you are in is either denial or you were just being immature, again.

That's your horrible and disgusting opinion, of course, but it is not a fact. You go ahead and think hand-puppets looked "so convincing", "so real", and "long lasting special effects!" The very topic that you're talking about it just so plain dumb. I mean, really...you're arguing that a friggin' hand puppet is an amazing, long lasting, special effect that still looks "real". This thought...it...painful to endure. I mean, really? Really......? 😬

I did laugh, a couple of months back, when JarJar got kicked in the nuts by that robot. That's when I rewatched the PT with my kids. Good times. The kids thought it was funny, too. But I love slapstick humor. I still find the 3-Stooges funny. 😐

Immature.

I'm trolling but you're the one that keeps trying to force the idea that I'm not serious when I've held this same position on KMC since 2006 when I first started posting. "OMG, guyz, don't take this guy sewious! He must be trowing, fer sher!" 6+ years later, making the same points, over and over, and you still think it is "trolling"? 😬 I mean, I've argued this stuff for pages and pages with Queeq...and you still will pretend it is trolling?

Its OK DDM.. plenty of people feel down this time of year..
But hang in there, this flip out is indicative of seasonal pressure and the condition that others so heartlessly called 'madness' will pass and the immaturity of your post overall will seem as laughable to you as it does to all of us and soon you'll feel better and you can look back at posts like you're making right now and realise how much progress you will have made.

Views change in the evolving, growing, learning.
Stubborness and rigidity in opinion is not an 'asset' to brag about.

Slapstick works fine.....in slapstick movies.
The OT had slapstick moments but they were subtle, not excruciatingly overdone and would fit better therefore into context of the action and tension of the movie.. The falling toolbox in ESB for example. The audience were seeing it for the 1st time back then. I wonder how many seeing it again would laugh now.. You would, clearly. But like I say, you'll get better.

Ok guys, tone it down. Some of these replies are just becoming pointless.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Lucien, I feel that every last one of you is part of a troll mob. It is simply a troll-meme to hate the PT. It is some massive, weird, hypocritical, and borderline delusional mob thing that I have observed. Lately, it is getting worse and worse. I consider that entire lot, trolls. Trolls of Star Wars. Mostly just children throwing fits that they would have thrown no matter the outcome. Almost all of you were children when you saw the OT for the first time. Children.

A brave few stand against us, defending the PT, either out of a love of the underdog (that made billions of $), nostalgic glasses, or a genuine feel that the Star Wars prequels are examples of good films--whatever their definition of 'good' may be. Another member here, The Tempest, I think is the underdog guy, who likes to defy popular convention. You, I think, are the kind who really feel these are good movies.

Warps my fragile little mind, I can tell you.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You, I think, are the kind who really feel these are good movies. .

That gave me a warm fuzzy. inlove

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Warps my fragile little mind, I can tell you.

I think both trilogies are awesome. When I say that I think the OT is better than the PT, it is not by much.

The OT has its unique charms that the PT could never hope to have. One of them is the late 70s-80s sci-fi charm. Another is the chemistry between actors. Another is the characters: we weren't meant to love Anakin. The only character, I think, that we were meant to love in the PT was Obi Wan and possibly Padme.

Also, IMO, Return of the Jedi has the best story out of all 6 films. It is just plain awesome.

And out of all the actors in all 6 films....NO one can top Harrison Ford. When everyone else is delivering cheesy Highschool level lines, he's tearing it up.

So, yes, I may give many overall nods to the PT over the OT but that's like saying Jessica Biel in Blade III is hotter than Rachel Nichols in GI Joe.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Views change in the evolving, growing, learning.
Stubborness and rigidity in opinion is not an 'asset' to brag about.

I think the research shows that personalities don't change too much unless a catastrophic event occurs in a person's life. People's opinions on films usually don't change once they've become adults. There are old men, where I work, whose security question about their favorite movie has been "The Godfather" for 3 decades. So I don't think it is a bad thing that I love the PT and[/i[ OT.

[i]Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Slapstick works fine.....in slapstick movies.
The OT had slapstick moments but they were subtle, not excruciatingly overdone and would fit better therefore into context of the action and tension of the movie.. The falling toolbox in ESB for example. The audience were seeing it for the 1st time back then. I wonder how many seeing it again would laugh now.. You would, clearly. But like I say, you'll get better.

I think slapstick can work in movies that are not meant for slapstick...obviously. In fact, it may work better if slapstick humor is used sparingly rather than the main focus. If you watch more than 1 episode of the 3 Stooges, in a row, it gets old. It is best in small doses.

The OT Slapstick moments felt just he same as the PTs. It is part of George Lucas' charm: he's pretty funny, sometimes.

Adults still learn and evolve their views in accordance of the world around them..

Yes he is funny sometimes when he does it subtley. He gave Jar Jar main focus and it didnt work. He diverted from plot in AOTC for 5 mins of sodding around with mixed up head slapstick with C-P30 in the droid factory. It works less with every rewatch.
The OT suffered none of this.
Ergo it is not comparable.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Adults still learn and evolve their views in accordance of the world around them..

But usually not with the movies they consider their all time favorite: I have not run across a single person like that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes he is funny sometimes when he does it subtley. He gave Jar Jar main focus and it didnt work. He diverted from plot in AOTC for 5 mins of sodding around with mixed up head slapstick with C-P30 in the droid factory. It works less with every rewatch.
The OT suffered none of this.
Ergo it is not comparable.

He didn't give JarJar much focus at all. And everything else you said, I disagree with. Neither the OT nor the PT suffered from whatever it is you're tying to say.

I'm personally indifferent to Jar-Jar. I don't hate the guy, but I just don't care either.

Anakin drove me up the wall more than he did by a fair amount.

Jedi is my favourite movie (and no, not because of Ewoks, though I love those guys).

Originally posted by -Pr-
Jedi is my favourite movie (and no, not because of Ewoks, though I love those guys).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you.

Originally posted by dadudemon
There is absolutely nothing wrong with you.

I like to think so.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But usually not with the movies they consider their all time favorite: I have not run across a single person like that.

He didn't give JarJar much focus at all. And everything else you said, I disagree with. Neither the OT nor the PT suffered from whatever it is you're tying to say.

People get carried away all the time and are like "best movie ever" for like 3 months then time comes to tell apart the classics from the non-classics. People revise their opinions when time for the hype to die down has passed and re watches occur.

I disagree. The pre-dip scene on Naboo's surface, the tongue/powercoupling scene, the underwater kingdom, The poop step in, the slapstick stallsnack scene with Sebulba, the massive slapstick battle against the droids at the end of which, he should have been executed if the droids were following orders ("Wipe the out, all of them" anyone?), even the dinner scene was JarJar focus with the tongue/apple thing...he was thrust upon us in a manner that made him like a juiced up CGI attention wh*re who had to have everybody's attention on him for his slapstickery. And focused slapstickery of that level doesn't belong in Star Wars....not to that degree, anyway.. And the whole factory scene I mentioned was totally unneccesary and slapstick..and the way the 'humour' carried on into a battle where loads of Jedi are getting wiped out and there is the historic 1st deployment of he Republic's clone army...totally irritating on rewatches.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
People get carried away all the time and are like "best movie ever" for like 3 months then time comes to tell apart the classics from the non-classics. People revise their opinions when time for the hype to die down has passed and re watches occur.

I disagree. The pre-dip scene on Naboo's surface, the tongue/powercoupling scene, the underwater kingdom, The poop step in, the slapstick stallsnack scene with Sebulba, the massive slapstick battle against the droids at the end of which, he should have been executed if the droids were following orders ("Wipe the out, all of them" anyone?), even the dinner scene was JarJar focus with the tongue/apple thing...he was thrust upon us in a manner that made him like a juiced up CGI attention wh*re who had to have everybody's attention on him for his slapstickery. And focused slapstickery of that level doesn't belong in Star Wars....not to that degree, anyway.. And the whole factory scene I mentioned was totally unneccesary and slapstick..and the way the 'humour' carried on into a battle where loads of Jedi are getting wiped out and there is the historic 1st deployment of he Republic's clone army...totally irritating on rewatches.

I actually think you touched on a really good point there. That kind of contrasting attitudes in battle scenes where a jedi will be gunned down 10 feet away from threepio and r2d2 arguing, or jar-jar fumbling with a grenade while "presumably" gungans are getting mowed down by the dozens.

In the OT, that was a lot less common. I mean, sure, you'd get threeprio and r2 running across a corridor and avoiding blaster fire, but look at say, the ewoks. They're considered by a lot of people to be Lucas' first pandering to the toys, and yet for the most part, and especially in battle scenes, the ewoks are played very straight. yes, they use rocks and arrows, but that's because they're not advanced, not because it's funny. though there was the bit with the bola-throwing, but even then, that's an outlier rather than indicative of a theme.

hell, even that moment where the ewok gets gunned down, and the camera actually hangs on his/her friend as he/she mourns him. that was one of the saddest parts of the trilogy for me as a kid, and even watching it again, you can just hear the director screaming at you "look; these little fuzzy bears are getting straight up murdered! this is an actual fight for freedom and survival".

You can pick apart the prequels for all the technical failings, plot consistencies, and lousy dialogue... but generally speaking they fail to connect with people, and that's the main problem. They lack an emotional connection with the audience.

Yep. III does a better job as things largely speaking are better and the tone is more decent Star Wars level, and the forced goofery is left to the stupid squeaky battledroids. "But 1 Half involving movie does not a great trilogy make" OT wins.

I liked the darker tone of RotS--the darkest the OT got was the Emperor's throne room. But dark tone or no, I was just soooo bored. The characters are incredibly unlikeable (Palpatine excepted). You can have all the dark seriousness you want, if the characters and story are despicable/retarded, then I don't care and my interest is nil.

That said I was disappointed they didn't show more butchery in the temple. I mean if you're gonna go dark, just go balls to the walls with it.

But Hayden was trying to look very dark... wasn't that enough? ;-)

His acting sure was dark to me... I still don't get it. ;-)

😛

Originally posted by dadudemon

I disagree, of course. I think the PT is better in almost every single area compared to the OT. Especially the story portion. The OT is so full of plotholes, it is absurd: but we love it not because you have to be a retard to think the plot progression is coherent but because it was fun as hell. The PT suffered less from that...maybe because it was done with more George at the helm?

I definitely feel the PT had bigger plot holes.

Why did no-one follow up on the clone army? Or find it suspicious that the seed of the Republic's army is a merc known to work for the CIS?

What was in the prophecy of the chosen one? Why was bringing balance to the force a good thing when there were so many more jedi? ("Light = balance, dark = imbalance" being something *never* mentioned in the movies).

Why did Anakin never go back for his mom or if that wasn't allowed, have it addressed that it wasn't allowed?

I mean, interviews have filled in some stuff, but some of those are pretty big, I'm not sure what in the OT is supposed to be on that level.

Other more minor ones include, why couldn't any of the Jedi foresee what was coming or sense Palpatine? (Shadow of the darkside/wound in the force blocking precog, again never mentioned in movie) And how did the Jedi know that 'always two there are'?

There's a lot of stuff that was on the cutting room floor that should've been in.