Ok. I really liked this show when I first saw it, so I started rewatching it a few days ago. My memory doesn't appear to have betrayed me. Batman and Nightwing win.
Unaware of a sniper's presence, Batman has dodged sniper fire by reacting the noise to the gun makes when it fires. He's deflected bullets fired at close range with his forearms. I'm not one to take feats overly literal, so I won't argue that Batman is supersonic; however, feats like that are just plain superior to Mugen or Jin. Dodging musket fire, for example, is simply an inferior feat.
Not to mention, it really does appear that the baseball episode stuff were one-off feats they couldn't replicate normally. If we want to go the PIS/stupidly high end route, we have to do the same for Batman. Without a doubt, he's got the samurai duo beat there too. The dude's knocked the breath out of Wonder Woman, so throwing a baseball seems a little lackluster by comparison.
I won't take the "Batman solos 10/10" stance of srank, but maybe I am being lenient. Batman and Nightwing are taking the majority though.
Originally posted by StyleTime
He's deflected bullets fired at close range with his forearms.
Circumstances, and number of times he's done this?
If it goes against most of his history, and it sounds like this does, than only one feat makes a poor case for being faster than bullets, vs something like Daredevils consistent bullet deflection feats, or Cassandra Cains numerous "Matrix like" bullet dodging feats, along with feats like soloing a room full of thugs who never move throughout the blitz, as if they were statues..
Just like Logans deflecting lasers with his claws once don't hold water against Daredevils multiple, consistent bullet deflection feats throughout his career.
Mugen was clearly that strong. Batman isn't as fast as your making him out to be. Most people see him fight. Black lightning saw him fight Val. Mugen and Jin are more skilled when it comes to swords. I haven't been impressd with Nightwing's skills in swords and Bruce is good, but not in their league.
I find it quite amusing that you're doing the same stuff you're accusing the Batman side of.
If we're taking Mugen at his musket dodging, tower toppling best( despite the fact that he is clearly depicted as roughly peak human for most of the series), we are taking Batman at his bullet deflecting, Wonder Woman incapacitating best as well.
This double standard for anime characters is ridiculous.
That stuff would actually be superior to what Mugen did dude.
As for the "how often does Batman pull his high end stuff?" question,
Originally posted by StyleTime
He did it the same number of times Mugen knocked over a tower with a baseball.It's funny how that works, huh?
I hope I don't sound assholish, but this is pretty crazy. You can look at any of Mugen's fights and understand that he is not beyond the scope of any comic book peak human.
Originally posted by StyleTime
He did it the same number of times Mugen knocked over a tower with a baseball.It's funny how that works, huh?
Again, consistency is key.
I'm not even trying to compare Batmans high ends with Mugen or Jins high ends in this argument, I'm claiming if Batman has two feats where he blocks bullets, and 1,000 examples where he runs like hell from being shot, or gets shot, or tries to avoid facing a gunman altogether, it's not fair to say he deals easily with bullets.. Because by his history, he doesn't.
In other words, it's Spiderman vs Firelord material. We don't count Spidey beating Firelord for a reason..
Originally posted by Prep-Man
There were circumstances with WW. Like she didn't use her speed and Batman was more skilled in MA. Batman doesn't have the strength feats Mugen has. And he isn't as fast as what you are saying.
I love the show(screw you, CosmicComet uhuh, but Batman definitely has the better strength feats.
Originally posted by cdtm
Again, consistency is key.I'm not even trying to compare Batmans high ends with Mugen or Jins high ends in this argument, I'm claiming if Batman has two feats where he blocks bullets, and 1,000 examples where he runs like hell from being shot, or gets shot, or tries to avoid facing a gunman altogether, it's not fair to say he deals easily with bullets.. Because by his history, he doesn't.
In other words, it's Spiderman vs Firelord material. We don't count Spidey beating Firelord for a reason..
I attempted a clever "adopt your opponents logic to show them how flawed their argument is", but maybe my comedic talent is waning. Using Batman's high end feats to say he wins is just as retarded as using Mugen's one episode baseball feats. That was the entire reason I brought those up. You used a double standard. You basically said "Let's use Mugen at his one time highest, and label anything similar from Batman as PIS."
I don't blame you though. If we argue Batman vs these guys on anything resembling an equal feat level, Batman is clearly superior. The harsh reality is Batman has better average or high end feats than either of these guys. For example, a typical Jin is capable of aim dodging a few shots from a single guy's revolver. Batman is capable of aim dodging multiple opponents firing automatic weaponry from multiple directions.......assuming Batman didn't decide to blitz and disarm them before they even react to him(he has done that). There isn't really a comparison here. Jin and Mugen are up against the most gifted physical speciment they have ever encountered.
In short: Batman would hand a Bat-ass whooping to whichever guy he faces here.