Originally posted by Eminenceyeah yeah go back to your tree
That is both false and retarded. Vader orphaned the boy, raised him through a fifteen-year agoge, taught him to swordfight with a blade of starfire and rip space stations asunder with his goddamn mind, and christened him the motherfvcking Starkiller.The makings of a boring character these are not.
Originally posted by Eminence
That is both false and retarded. Vader orphaned the boy, raised him through a fifteen-year agoge, taught him to swordfight with a blade of starfire and rip space stations asunder with his goddamn mind, and christened him the motherfvcking Starkiller.The makings of a boring character these are not.
I yawned while reading that. 😐
If Vader only fed Marek blood soup, then the makings of a boring character... would be lessened by a small degree.
Originally posted by Eminence
That is both false and retarded. Vader orphaned the boy, raised him through a fifteen-year agoge, taught him to swordfight with a blade of starfire and rip space stations asunder with his goddamn mind, and christened him the motherfvcking Starkiller.The makings of a boring character these are not.
Clearly, he's OP. That's half of the problem. Starkiller's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long". It borders on Asoka levels of "Wtf".
That being said, the backstory sounds interesting when you say it, but plays out horribly.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Starkiller's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long".
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Originally posted by Stealth MooseStarkillerNihilus's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long".
Originally posted by Stealth MooseStarkillerAbeloth's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long".
Originally posted by Stealth MooseStarkillerKun's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage with Sith technology in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long".
Originally posted by Stealth MooseStarkillerSadow's primary appeal is to the base crowd who craves unbridled Force pwnage with Sith technology in lieu of something like a decent personality and a plausible backstory that doesn't feel like "**** canon, I can insert shit in here all day long".
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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
o i c wut u did thar.
Only now, at the end, do you understand. sneer
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
But I still viciously hate Starkiller. So there.
He's certainly not the most compelling of characters, but I stand by my assessment that most people wouldn't have a problem with the feats within the game if they were performed by their favorite character/s.
For someone above such petty bullshit, it doesn't really bother me: Starkiller's elite, but hardly the badass people pretend he is.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Only now, at the end, do you understand. sneerHe's certainly not the most compelling of characters, but I stand by my assessment that most people wouldn't have a problem with the feats within the game if they were performed by their favorite character/s.
For someone above such petty bullshit, it doesn't really bother me: Starkiller's elite, but hardly the badass people pretend he is.
I think part of the problem is that he's clearly showing TK well above even considerably high levels shown by other characters. It's like he's the prodigy Skywalker never was, but he amounts to nothing. He clearly has no purpose in the greater OT era, and he's somehow weaker than both Vader and Sidious despite his showings.
Why make him so blatantly powerful if he's useless?
For just the casual Star Wars fan, Marek was meant to be an overpowered death machine. The juxtaposition of TFU to the OT really raised questions among people I know who don't even know anything about the mythos beyond the films. His character traits were limited and his character's powers were amped. Perfect fodder for the video-game market of people who just want to wreck stuff with magic powers and a lightsaber. The decrying of his powers isn't due to favourtism, Gid, it's due to overbearing powers among characters from the comparatively underwhelming (and chronologically close) OT.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I think part of the problem is that he's clearly showing TK well above even considerably high levels shown by other characters.
If you're talking about within the films, then that goes back to the fundamental problem within the fandom as regards feats. The saga (and this includes the EU) relies on suspension of disbelief; I can understand if the casual moviegoer sees the films, compares it to the EU, and concludes movie!characters are weaker. But the mountains and mountains of EU supplements and authoritative compendiums, guides, and tomes simply refute the idea that the Force and/or its users are somehow weaker in the film era. I mean, hell, if you take it literally and don't bother with the suspension of disbelief, Imperial-era technology is largely inferior and less sophisticated than that of the Clone Wars-era.
Basically, the notion that film!characters are weak and powerful displays of the Force are inappropriate for the era has no basis for the more sophisticated fan.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's like he's the prodigy Skywalker never was, but he amounts to nothing. He clearly has no purpose in the greater OT era, and he's somehow weaker than both Vader and Sidious despite his showings.Why make him so blatantly powerful if he's useless?
The out-of-universe purpose of the game was to give Star Wars its superhero element, about "kicking ass with the Force." Vader alludes to the greater manifestations of the energy field, flat out telling Imperial commanders that the Death Star is insignificant in comparison. I don't think the bigwigs at LFL ever forgot that.
In-universe, it was to show the sort of path Luke or Anakin could have found themselves on had they been trained by the Sith from day one.
It's not about his overblown powers in regards to movie/OT characters. It's just that in the years of EU material prior, we don't see similarly overdone amounts of TK except for one showing in Dark Empire. And that's Luke Skywalker, so I'm willing to ignore it because Luke is apparently on the Force's Xmas card list.
I don't oppose Starkiller's premise if he were:
- Less OP. I don't care about his potential, I just don't feel some young punk should be TKing Star Destroyers when generations of Jedi and Sith before him never displayed such feats. It makes them appear less by extention.
- In another timeline. I mean, mixing it with Vader and Palpatine was so obviously fan service I'm not going to protest against the common sense of using them. I just believe the character could have been better used in another timeline, with a completely new story and supporting cast that would in itself be novel. Part of what makes KotOR so appealing is that it's not being bashed over the head with how "cool" movie characters are as if we didn't already know.