Originally posted by Estacado
Watch this...
Jin cuts a mountain sized Heihachi in 2.
Totally Awesome! I can't wait to get this movie with TTT! That said, that was JIN, at absolutely 100% of his power.
This is Vega at 25%
He still wins this.
Originally posted by Estacado
Watch this...
Jin cuts a mountain sized Heihachi in 2.
Totally Awesome! I can't wait to get this movie with TTT! That said, that was JIN, at absolutely 100% of his power.
This is Vega at 25%
He still wins this.
Originally posted by Frisky DingoWouldnt say its 100% of his power. Not even close IMO. It was just a laser beam and laser beams simply CUT through stuff in tekken. Doesnt mean that's the full extent of his damage output. Heck even in his partial transformation he released enough energy to wipe out an entire forest. One would think that in his full transformation he's capable of more than just destroying a tower. Wonder what kind of damage those last punches he threw at Kazuya would've caused to the surrounding. The shockwave was huge and seemed powerful but they were in midair so hard to tell.
Totally Awesome! I can't wait to get this movie with TTT! That said, that was JIN, at absolutely [b]100% of his power.This is Vega at 25%
He still wins this. [/B]
Originally posted by SamZED
Wouldnt say its 100% of his power. Not even close IMO. It was just a laser beam and laser beams simply CUT through stuff in tekken. Doesnt mean that's the full extent of his damage output. Heck even in his partial transformation he released enough energy to wipe out an entire forest. One would think that in his full transformation he's capable of more than just destroying a tower. Wonder what kind of damage those last punches he threw at Kazuya would've caused to the surrounding. The shockwave was huge and seemed powerful but they were in midair so hard to tell.
I didn't mean it was an attack executed with all of his might, even though, it could have been. Who's to say, you can't tell that by what was shown. I only meant, it was an attack shot from his strongest form, ever. I think slicing Giant Heihachi in half is a better feat than Devil destroying a forest, anyway.
Vega's A Bomb explosion followed by a beam shot all the way into orbit was expelled from his body at 25%. Said Jin feat was brought up for whatever reason and I responded with an even greater feat at the opposing character's lesser form, that's all I was doing.
Originally posted by Frisky DingoOh so you were talking about the beam in particular. Gotcha, sorry.
I didn't mean it was an attack executed with all of his might, even though, it could have been. Who's to say, you can't tell that by what was shown. I only meant, it was an attack shot from his strongest form, ever. I think slicing Giant Heihachi in half is a better feat than Devil destroying a forest, anyway.Vega's A Bomb explosion followed by a beam shot all the way into orbit was expelled from his body at 25%. Said Jin feat was brought up for whatever reason and I responded with an even greater feat at the opposing character's lesser form, that's all I was doing.
But would like to point out that greater distance doesnt neccesarilly mean - more powerful attack. Those laser beams sliced through anything like through butter while the beam that was fired into orbit after Azazel's destruction didnt seem as powerful. Just givving an example.
I think this is a lot closer thatn you think. Dont forget the forcefield.
Originally posted by Frisky DingoTo be fair it depends wholly on how long it took Jin to demolish said forest and the method he used to do so.
I think slicing Giant Heihachi in half is a better feat than Devil destroying a forest, anyway.
Originally posted by SamZEDThat same building Jin was destroying with his laser spam Chun-Li would've reduced to tiny dust in one go based on the power she demonstrated on that prequel trailer, and I'd wager she'd do the same just as easily with the giant Heihachi whom Jin struggled to simply cut up in half.
Those laser beams sliced through anything like through butter while the beam that was fired into orbit after Azazel's destruction didnt seem as powerful. Just givving an example.
I don't think either Kaz or Jin have anything on their arsenal (not even accumulatively) that could compare to Chun's mini-nuke level blast, which M. Bison tanked at point blank range.
Originally posted by SamZEDBut would like to point out that greater distance doesnt neccesarilly mean - more powerful attack. Those laser beams sliced through anything like through butter while the beam that was fired into orbit after Azazel's destruction didnt seem as powerful. Just givving an example.
I think this is a lot closer thatn you think. Dont forget the forcefield.
I don't think Vega's beam slices through anything, anyway. I see the beam as more of a Kamehameha Wave-like projectile. The recoil of which created fiery mushroom cloud, akin to that of a nuclear weapon. That is what I see putting Vega's energy output above Kazuya or Jin's. Considering at that point, Vega was using 1/4 of his power. Factor in that every major feat mentioned for Jin, even though he's not in this thread, has him at 100% and this thread only allows Kazuya 70%.
I never stated this was a stomp, either. This thread does only allow Vega to fight at only 50% of his actual power and Kazuya at 70%. However, given every showing mentioned for Vega, in this thread, has him at 1/4, he should win this at 1/2, what the thread calls for.
Originally posted by stargun
To be fair it depends wholly on how long it took Jin to demolish said forest and the method he used to do so.
No one knows how long it took or what he did to destroy it. All we know is, he went Devil and woke up in a wrecked forest. I won't take away from it though. I think Devil Jin destroyed the forest pretty quickly and easily, IMO.
I see the beam feat as a better showing because, a wild fire can wreck a forest over time, what can slice something that massive in half? Added to that, it's a clear decisive feat that really can't be disputed. Any character fighting Jin at 100% of his power would need durability or speed feats to survive the attack.
Originally posted by stargunThat's false logic. Chun's attack was an explosion of energy while Jin's laser cuts stuff. That's like comparing a granade explosion to being sliced in half by a chopper. Different kind of attack, in no way mean's Chun's would do more damage to a character. Jin didnt have to spam the laser beam, he could've destroyed the tower by releasing the devil's energy, he was simply going berserk with the laser. It took just one beam to slice a tower in half in the beginning of the fight. And its a speculation to say Chun's attack would've done anything to Heihachi. As for their arsenal, that same attack Jin used on 'hachi or his very own energy outburst, seriously doubt Vega will be able to tank it. Not if he just stood there I mean.
To be fair it depends wholly on how long it took Jin to demolish said forest and the method he used to do so.That same building Jin was destroying with his laser spam Chun-Li would've reduced to tiny dust in one go based on the power she demonstrated on that prequel trailer, and I'd wager she'd do the same just as easily with the giant Heihachi whom Jin struggled to simply cut up in half.
I don't think either Kaz or Jin have anything on their arsenal (not even accumulatively) that could compare to Chun's mini-nuke level blast, which M. Bison tanked at point blank range.
Originally posted by Frisky DingoJudging by Tekken 5 video it was a single energy outburst and the story mode said the forest was completely destroyed. Jin stopped himself from killing Heihachi so it was Devil's way of blowing of some steam. All in all, pretty impressive.
I don't think Vega's beam slices through anything, anyway. I see the beam as more of a Kamehameha Wave-like projectile. The recoil of which created fiery mushroom cloud, akin to that of a nuclear weapon. That is what I see putting Vega's energy output above Kazuya or Jin's. Considering at that point, Vega was using 1/4 of his power. Factor in that every major feat mentioned for Jin, even though he's not in this thread, has him at 100% and this thread only allows Kazuya 70%.I never stated this was a stomp, either. This thread does only allow Vega to fight at only 50% of his actual power and Kazuya at 70%. However, given every showing mentioned for Vega, in this thread, has him at 1/4, he should win this at 1/2, what the thread calls for.
No one knows how long it took or what he did to destroy it. All we know is, he went Devil and woke up in a wrecked forest. I won't take away from it though. I think Devil Jin destroyed the forest pretty quickly and easily, IMO.
I see the beam feat as a better showing because, a wild fire can wreck a forest over time, what can slice something that massive in half? Added to that, it's a clear decisive feat that really can't be disputed. Any character fighting Jin at 100% of his power would need durability or speed feats to survive the attack.
Originally posted by SamZEDOverall Chun-Li's Kikosho seems to be vastly more destructive than Jin's laser so it doesn't really matter if these attacks have rellatively different properties.
That's false logic. Chun's attack was an explosion of energy while Jin's laser cuts stuff. That's like comparing a granade explosion to being sliced in half by a chopper. Different kind of attack, in no way mean's Chun's would do more damage to a character.
For example a chopper's propeller surely would fail to slice a war tank or even damage the vehicle that much at all while 5 tons of TNT if detonated at point blank range will blow it apart into tiny little bits. Point being If a character is durable enough to withstand such an amount of explosive at point blank a chopper certainly wouldn't do much to him... if anything at all.
In this analogy Jin's laser would be the chopper's propeller, Chun-Li's Kikosho the explosives, and M. Bison the person who withstood the explosion.
Originally posted by SamZEDBy Devil Jin releasing his energy you mean like in that ''what if'' ending where he absorbs Jimpachi and then unleashes a giant dome of energy? That thing surely looks a lot like Chun's blast, except hers is more powerful judging by damage output.
Jin didnt have to spam the laser beam, he could've destroyed the tower by releasing the devil's energy, he was simply going berserk with the laser. It took just one beam to slice a tower in half in the beginning of the fight. And its a speculation to say Chun's attack would've done anything to Heihachi.
Chun-Li's attack made a crater where the giant Heihachi could fit in, hence why I think she could screw him up with that very same blast she used on M. Bison. Seems like a reasonable assumption.
Originally posted by SamZEDAs a matter of fact, he tanked an attack far more powerful than either Jin's final laser against giant Heihachi or that energy pulse D. Jin fired after absorbing Jimpachi in his Tekken 5 ending.
As for their arsenal, that same attack Jin used on 'hachi or his very own energy outburst, seriously doubt Vega will be able to tank it. Not if he just stood there I mean.
Originally posted by SamZEDNothing in that prologue actually indicates that he wiped out the forest with a single attack and it seems quite unlikely looking at Jin's power set. Most likely he did it in a ''Godzilla-in-Tokyo'' sort of rampage.
Judging by Tekken 5 video it was a single energy outburst and the story mode said the forest was completely destroyed. Jin stopped himself from killing Heihachi so it was Devil's way of blowing of some steam. All in all, pretty impressive.
Originally posted by stargun
Overall Chun-Li's Kikosho seems to be vastly more destructive than Jin's laser so it doesn't really matter if these attacks have rellatively different properties.For example a chopper's propeller surely would fail to slice a war tank or even damage the vehicle that much at all while 5 tons of TNT if detonated at point blank range will blow it apart into tiny little bits. Point being If a character is durable enough to withstand such an amount of explosive at point blank a chopper certainly wouldn't do much to him... if anything at all.
In this analogy Jin's laser would be the chopper's propeller, Chun-Li's Kikosho the explosives, and M. Bison the person who withstood the explosion.
Originally posted by stargunNo, I was talking about the intro, the one where he destroys a forest. And her attack doesnt look as powerful as you make it out to be. Not even as DJ's last laser beam attack. Let alone compared to obliterating an entire forest. Honestly all it did was damage the surrounding. Its her most powerful attack and it did less damage to a weakened Bison than Ryu's and Ken's ordinary hadoukens. Other fighters didnt register it even though they were standing right there. Wonder how they would've felt if they were in range of DJ's laser.
By Devil Jin releasing his energy you mean like in that ''what if'' ending where he absorbs Jimpachi and then unleashes a giant dome of energy? That thing surely looks a lot like Chun's blast, except hers is more powerful judging by damage output.
Originally posted by stargunHeihachi's left foot was almost the size of that crater, but that's beside the point. He was magically amped to an unknow degree, we can't just assume what would happen. Just because Jin's attack (that was shown to be able to slice through ANYTHING so far) did the trick, doesnt mean a different kind of attack would.
Chun-Li's attack made a crater where the giant Heihachi could fit in, hence why I think she could screw him up with that very same blast she used on M. Bison. Seems like a reasonable assumption.
Originally posted by stargunWhich attack are you talking about? If Chun's then I disagree.
As a matter of fact, he tanked an attack far more powerful than either Jin's final laser against giant Heihachi or that energy pulse D. Jin fired after absorbing Jimpachi in his Tekken 5 ending.
Originally posted by stargunTekken 5 intro briefly shows the scene.
Nothing in that prologue actually indicates that he wiped out the forest with a single attack and it seems quite unlikely looking at Jin's power set. Most likely he did it in a ''Godzilla-in-Tokyo'' sort of rampage.
Originally posted by SamZEDGoing by real life standards anything capable of resisting 5 tons of explosives can tank a chopper as well, be it a inanimate object, a plant, a person or whatever. Only reason why it doesn't always stand in fiction is due to plot inconsistency, thus making room for that ''different types of attack doesn't transfer'' argument. Though I'd say it's even fair to bring up when a certain character shows significantly less resistance to cutting or piercing attacks than to blunt ones, Bison however has no lower showings of the kind discrediting on what his Kikosho tanking feat should tell us about his durability as a whole.
Only because a tank has different properties. Its armor can withstand being cut, but not blown apart with enough explosives. It in no way transfers to human-like characters. Vega maybe durable enough to withstand an impact of explosion, that doesnt mean he can survive being sliced in two pieces. And even then I dont see how you can use two different kinds of attacks to judge character's overall power levels. Overal, DJ is capable of dishing way more damage than Chun.No, I was talking about the intro, the one where he destroys a forest. And her attack doesnt look as powerful as you make it out to be. Not even as DJ's last laser beam attack. Let alone compared to obliterating an entire forest. Honestly all it did was damage the surrounding. Its her most powerful attack and it did less damage to a weakened Bison than Ryu's and Ken's ordinary hadoukens. Other fighters didnt register it even though they were standing right there. Wonder how they would've felt if they were in range of DJ's laser.
And Bison was never hurt by any attacks other than Chun's Kikosho on that fight. Those ordinary Hadoukens as you call them only inflicted pain upon him and he was probably running out of energy while fighting off five opponents at once, but that's different from actual injury. And I don't recall anyone on the team being on the range of Chun's blast when she used it on Bison either.
Originally posted by SamZEDThat monster's height more or less coincides with the crater's width. What leads me to think Chun's feat was more impressive is because her blast disintegrated 200,000 or so cubic meters of the surrounding ground, which is more or less the equivalent of a city block volume, while what Jin did was slice in half what was essentially a walking skyscraper on steroids granted that thing has been built from the debris of that same tower demolished in the previous fight. Sure its durability may have been amped beyond that of a regular tall building, but the problem is that we don't know by how much as we never saw it tanking anything that could have outright demolished a building of equal size - something Chun-Li could easily blow to bits via her energy output plus a lot more.
Heihachi's left foot was almost the size of that crater, but that's beside the point. He was magically amped to an unknow degree, we can't just assume what would happen. Just because Jin's attack (that was shown to be able to slice through ANYTHING so far) did the trick, doesnt mean a different kind of attack would.Which attack are you talking about? If Chun's then I disagree
I haven't seen that laser cut through anything as you say, it only did so to a building, and buildings are relatively hollow structures when compared to soil masses and rock formations of similar dimensions. You'd be surprised how less effective Jin's laser would be if he tried to cut up a mountain or a hill the size of that tower.
Originally posted by SamZEDI'm not interested in discuss that to be honest but the intro only shows Jin flying through the forest while he was out of control and I haven't seen him emiting any sort of energy whatsoever, nor was it stated at any point during the game. Personally I believe he destroyed the forest by flying all the way around it knocking down every tree on his way ACCIDENTALLY. And I never meant to say that Jin was weak when I said it's unlikely that he wiped out the forest in one go, but just that he lacks an attack capable of doing so.
Tekken 5 intro briefly shows the scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkPJQtP6ck#t=1m31s
It appears to be an energy output, no sign of him going rampage. And his prologue shows that every tree in the forest is destroyed so unless he spent hours riping every single tree in the forest with his bare hands that was an energy outburst.
I honeslt dont see how is that unlikely judging by his power set. He's pretty uber.
All that said I apologize if I was somewhat of a douche in my last post, just now I realize I brought Chun's name a bit too much this whole thread but this time it got really out of hand in that last post of mine. Gotta have to admit I'm a fanboy of her but I'll try and keep this under control from now on.