Tha C-Master
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No you have to work smart too. Working hard alone won't do it. Digging ditches is hard work for most people to do with their bare hands. Won't get them anywhere though. You also have to change your mindset.
Many poor people who won the lottery or became athletes/musicians ended up broke in short order. There have been many broke people given large (relative) sums of money and end up broke. There was this show on Oprah and a homeless guy was given 1 million to see what he would do with it. He was broke in a month. It's all he knew how to handle.
Originally posted by inimalist
WOO! everyone cheer! blind individualism can give you a health care system better than that of Kenya or Zaire!ffs, not even worth looking up a facepalm image...
you do realize the clear implications of what you are saying is that socialized, public health care is stronger and more fit for first world nations? right? you get that this is the direct extension of the logic you have presented?
You're just getting worked up about this... 😛 . I understand it may be a tough subject for some, but this isn't about me or you per se, it's about the discussion (which has gotten a tad off topic).
I have to disagree. Ideally it would be, but it comes at a cost. Money. Who can afford all of this? Where do we draw the line? How many do we help out? For what reasons? Extents? What about social security and the other things we have going on here like welfare?
Originally posted by inimalist
you are absolutely correct, I have no personal experience with poverty, nor do I have any insight into human behaviour and motivation, and I think the only way to achieve personal wealth is through luckboy do you have my number
Spoiler:
I currently live in poverty, and as to the other 2, I'm getting an MA in human psychology and neuroscience... so that is math I'm sure you can do.
at least you don't make assumptive, sweeping generalizations about people in an attempt to solve the cognitive dissonance their rational points might cause you to experience.
btw, can you name a single study in which it is shown that people in poverty are motivated to have more children as a form of long term care? like I'm serious here. One study. A [b]STUDY
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I'm sure you did. So did I. Worse off than you most likely. Doesn't really matter what degree you get though; it matters what you do with them. Many people get plenty of degrees and end up more or less in the same soup they grew up in. I'm not like most people who started out poor, because I made my own success, so I obviously know there are *exceptions* to that rule.
Oh and of course we're talking about in general. I don't have the time to go on a case by case issue when it comes to problems like poverty or wealth. This is the general discussion forum. We're talking about general topics, and people in general, and from this comes generalities. Much like thread titles such as this:
"The Rich get richer yadda yadda yadda".
Threads like this go on all the time criticizing certain groups, and lately groups with money. They are all generalizations, and we're talking about general things. I have been on both sides. I know from studies *and* experience what people do on both ends. I know poorer people are more likely to have more kids, to gamble more, abuse alcohol more, not plan, not save, not care, etc. I have people in my own family who do it for God's sake. They simply lack the ambition and don't think they can do any better. I chose to wait on any possible kids and focus on my future and work smart *and* hard, and make sacrifices they thought were crazy or over the top, or that they tried to dissuade me from doing, like investing capital and starting up companies. Even people who grew up and lived with me took a totally different path.
I also know middle class people. Like my old school friends from way back when. Many are smart, or book smart, like you, but many of them also don't care to do much more than average, and some are just outright lazy. On the computer instead of doing things. Their parents would ask me to hire them or find them work in the past, and anything I brought to them they had an excuse on why they couldn't do it. Things like that. It just came to be that they simply didn't care and nothing was going to change that.
Then I met the wealthy people. They were more driven, cared more about their goals, and were less likely to have kids young because they knew they would get in the way. They wanted to make their money work for them because it was better and had more tax advantages.
Needless to say people have different mindsets.
Oh and the children thing. The nasty secret is people have kids for their own benefit, they're not motivated by society. People who live in agricultural societies have more kids because they want more help on the farm. In those countries children are cheaper and seen as an asset. Whereas in developed countries they are seen more as a luxury and a liability.
People do have more kids in places that are poorer. Poorer areas have higher mortality rates due to more crime and less *gasp* healthcare. So they have more kids to ensure that some will live on, and take care of them. People also get married for this reason. To have someone "take care of them" when they're older.
Also in poorer countries it's an absolute given that you take care of your parents and family. Here in America we have a lot of people come from other countries and you'll notice that people who are foreign and come from poorer countries have a stronger "family" mindset. That is because they grew up in lack and had to depend on each other. The US was like this around a century or more ago. Family lived very close and didn't isolate.
After World War 2 the economy increased and we had "baby boomers" during this time housing became significantly cheaper because it was the beginning of cookie cutter suburban homes (similar to the assembly line for automobiles). This allowed people to move out younger and travel more for jobs. This is where the "if you live at home past 25 you're a loser" came from. Many people in other parts of the world live at home for longer ages. A trend showing up here again since the economy is bad.
In other countries taking care of parents was a return on their investment because they "took care of you"; this practice still goes on in poorer areas, like in my hometown Mississippi, where they have many kids in hopes that one might not be a loser so they can take care of them. As we know though, monkey see, monkey do...
Not to mention those who have kids for government support. Again drawing from the resources without putting anything back in.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
🤨I haven't seen you do anything but type on a screen. In fact I don't think I've seen anyone on KMC ever do anything but type on a screen.
You're making it seem like I'm against helping people when in fact I like to. Many who complain about the problem rarely do anything themselves about it.