I'd tend to think of Superman stacked with Thor's powers as Thor with his belt of strength + combat superspeed + heat vision + freeze breath.
Mean combination.
But an all-out Thor barely survived Worthy Hulk and Worthy Thing. So... it'd take Superman half his strength and power just to get rid of the two of em. Taking on the other 6 Worthy (Sin, Attuma, Grey Gargoyle, Absorbing Man, Titania, Juggernaut) simultaneously seems way beyond even a stacked Superman's capabilities.
Worthy 9/10 stomp.
Superman could beat Thing with one blow in a microsecond. Look at what Thor did to him in one blow (nearly killed Thing).
Superman could win ONLY by using his speed and reflexes. He can simply knock the hammers from them (while they are statues) and then go to town on them with super planetary strength.
Superman wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman could beat Thing with one blow in a microsecond. Look at what Thor did to him in one blow (nearly killed Thing).Superman could win ONLY by using his speed and reflexes. He can simply knock the hammers from them (while they are statues) and then go to town on them with super planetary strength.
Superman wins.
So, Superman would have to fight OOC in order to win?
Originally posted by h1a8facepalm
Superman could beat Thing with one blow in a microsecond. Look at what Thor did to him in one blow (nearly killed Thing).Superman could win ONLY by using his speed and reflexes. He can simply knock the hammers from them (while they are statues) and then go to town on them with super planetary strength.
Superman wins.
Assuming that the Worthy were granted superspeed reflexes as Beta Ray Bill, Dargo and Eric Masterson were similarly provided, superspeed is not going to be the trump card here. And 600x human speed doesn't impress me.
By your reasoning, Superman wouldn't even need Mjolnir or Cap's shield. And that, in my frank opinion, is retarded. If beings with Thor-like power and Thor-like powers were truly statues to Superman, and Superman's power is in no way compromised by his superspeed state, and he could affect defeats in a single microsecond, then you'd conclude that unamped Superman could beat 1,000,000 Thors solo.
If you think that, you're ridiculous.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeYeah, but Thor did that at the cost of his own power. He completely exhausted himself.
I think this is then an Thor/Superman Amalgam. Which would make him ridiculously powerful and capable of defeating all of them. Thor already took on two of the best, BFR one and almost killed the other.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'd tend to think of Superman stacked with Thor's powers as Thor with his belt of strength + combat superspeed + heat vision + freeze breath.Mean combination.
But an all-out Thor barely survived Worthy Hulk and Worthy Thing. So... it'd take Superman half his strength and power just to get rid of the two of em. Taking on the other 6 Worthy (Sin, Attuma, Grey Gargoyle, Absorbing Man, Titania, Juggernaut) simultaneously seems way beyond even a stacked Superman's capabilities.
Worthy 9/10 stomp.
If Superman is many many times stronger than Thor (by feats) then it makes no since (other than bias) to say he is Thor's equal in strength.
Superman has the speed to make them statues. How can a statue beat you if it can't even move?
Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman will get sent back to DC universe in a doggy bag! Superman weakness is magic, and he is fighting High heralds that have magical upgrades that rival Thor's, I mean really 🤨 Sup going to do except die a horrible death.
This weakness which isn't such a great deal anymore it more like a lack of invulnerability then an actual weakness, will be negated through Mjolnir.
And ODG. Yes he did but he took two of the best, now imagine Thor with Supermans powers, against the weaker Worthy (except Juggs).
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This weakness which isn't such a great deal anymore it more like a lack of invulnerability then an actual weakness, will be negated through Mjolnir.And ODG. Yes he did but he took two of the best, now imagine Thor with Supermans powers, against the weaker Worthy (except Juggs).
Your assuming that Superman will know how to use Thor's hammer, and your acting like he wont lose the hammer in battle, because when he does he is f**ked no if's about it.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Your assuming that Superman will know how to use Thor's hammer, and your acting like he wont lose the hammer in battle, because when he does he is f**ked no if's about it.
I assume that he gets Thors powers and with it the knowledge needed, he becomes Thor. So Mjolnir will come back to him when he calls.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman is many many times stronger than Thor (by feats) then it makes no since (other than bias) to say he is Thor's equal in strength.Superman has the speed to make them statues. How can a statue beat you if it can't even move?
Superman takes a big swing at hulk, the hammer bounces right back into his face and he dies! 😛
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
facepalm If beings with Thor-like power and Thor-like powers were truly statues to Superman, and Superman's power is in no way compromised by his superspeed state, and he could affect defeats in a single microsecond, then you'd conclude that unamped Superman could beat 1,000,000 Thors solo.If you think that, you're ridiculous. Yeah, but Thor did that at the cost of his own power. He completely exhausted himself.
The problem is, the speed difference truly would make such a thing objectively arguable, even if its obvious that in a comic it would not be portrayed that way.
Realistically, the character arguments only get brought up because of the history between Marvel and DC, and thus we tend to give benefits of the doubt in categories that we shouldn't. We take it for granted that by speed feats Superman can be objectively quantified as at least thousands of times faster than Thor in combat speed.
If we replace Superman in the Superman vs Thor argument with a non-DC character that demonstrates comparable superspeed to Superman (albeit on a more consistent basis) like from some anime like Saint Seiya, would we still be arguing that it doesn't 'feel right' for Thor to be a statue in relative speed to that character? The way it would be argued that Thor being a statue to Superman doesn't 'feel right'?
We take for granted that matching up herald levelers cross company with DC and Marvel, due to their equal notoriety obviously, is going to have to produce at least competitive fights because that's how they likely would hand-wave the differences down to within a cross-over comic.
Superman vs Thor does not HAVE to be close within a forum. CBR's focus on feats and powersets is more objective. Not that I advocate that strictly, as panel statements are important too if they are established consistently enough. (I hold that Zeus and Odin are equal due to years of them being stated to be within comics and even now outside of it by Breevoort on mindspring and such)
Originally posted by CosmicCometNo, it wouldn't be objectively arguable. Because I've seen no evidence or any indication that Superman would destroy 1,000,000 Mongul Jrs. or 1,000,000 Lobos, or 1,000,000 fodder GLs in a single second. And Marvel superspeedsters like Gladiator, Hermes or Hyperion haven't demonstrated the capacity to similarly destroy 1,000,000 Thors either. If it's so obvious that a comic would never portray that, maybe it's obvious that such feats are beyond their capabilities rather than characters being neutered by editorial.
The problem is, the speed difference truly would make such a thing objectively arguable, even if its obvious that in a comic it would not be portrayed that way.
I've seen him stretch 1 second into 10 minutes. Rebuild a city under ambiguous circumstances. And pretty much fail at destroying his first Imperiex probe with combat superspeed and ultimately resorting to a focused superstrong barrage of heat/ice breath on a single focal point.
Originally posted by h1a8Superman has the speed to make human beings look like statues and watch Flash eat a piece of pie.
If Superman is many many times stronger than Thor (by feats) then it makes no since (other than bias) to say he is Thor's equal in strength.Superman has the speed to make them statues. How can a statue beat you if it can't even move?
Human beings =/= Thor =/= 1,000,000 Thors. Watching Flash eating pie =/= blitzing Thor with 1,000,000 punches =/= blitzing 1,000,000 Thors into unconsciousness.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeNo. After exhausting the Thor half of his powers against Worthy Hulk and Worthy Thing, I'll imagine Superman swinging Mjolnir and Cap's shield against 6 Thor level beings.
And ODG. Yes he did but he took two of the best, now imagine Thor with Supermans powers, against the weaker Worthy (except Juggs).
And I'd imagine that he'd get wrecked horribly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, it wouldn't be objectively arguable. Because I've seen no evidence or any indication that Superman would destroy 1,000,000 Mongul Jrs. or 1,000,000 Lobos, or 1,000,000 fodder GLs in a single second. And Marvel superspeedsters like Gladiator, Hermes or Hyperion haven't demonstrated the capacity to similarly destroy 1,000,000 Thors either. If it's so obvious that a comic would never portray that, maybe it's obvious that such feats are beyond their capabilities rather than characters being neutered by editorial.I've seen him stretch 1 second into 10 minutes. Rebuild a city under ambiguous circumstances. And pretty much fail at destroying his first Imperiex probe with combat superspeed and ultimately resorting to a focused superstrong barrage of heat/ice breath on a single focal point. Superman has the speed to make human beings look like statues and watch Flash eat a piece of pie.
Human beings =/= Thor =/= 1,000,000 Thors. Watching Flash eating pie =/= blitzing Thor with 1,000,000 punches =/= blitzing 1,000,000 Thors into unconsciousness. No. After exhausting the Thor half of his powers against Worthy Hulk and Worthy Thing, I'll imagine Superman swinging Mjolnir and Cap's shield against 6 Thor level beings.
And I'd imagine that he'd get wrecked horribly.
I don't think he will be exhausted when his attributes are doubled. Sry for the RL analogy but I can lift 110 kilo in the benchpress about 6 times, after that I'm,m exhausted. When my strength would be doubled it would be like half the weight. So I can benchpress 55 kilo about 30 times.
I don't think it would deplete Thors part out of Supes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, it wouldn't be objectively arguable. Because I've seen no evidence or any indication that Superman would destroy 1,000,000 Mongul Jrs. or 1,000,000 Lobos, or 1,000,000 fodder GLs in a single second. And Marvel superspeedsters like Gladiator, Hermes or Hyperion haven't demonstrated the capacity to similarly destroy 1,000,000 Thors either. If it's so obvious that a comic would never portray that, maybe it's obvious that such feats are beyond their capabilities rather than characters being neutered by editorial.I've seen him stretch 1 second into 10 minutes. Rebuild a city under ambiguous circumstances. And pretty much fail at destroying his first Imperiex probe with combat superspeed and ultimately resorting to a focused superstrong barrage of heat/ice breath on a single focal point. Superman has the speed to make human beings look like statues and watch Flash eat a piece of pie.
Human beings =/= Thor =/= 1,000,000 Thors. Watching Flash eating pie =/= blitzing Thor with 1,000,000 punches =/= blitzing 1,000,000 Thors into unconsciousness. No. After exhausting the Thor half of his powers against Worthy Hulk and Worthy Thing, I'll imagine Superman swinging Mjolnir and Cap's shield against 6 Thor level beings.
And I'd imagine that he'd get wrecked horribly.
You don't think speed is the be-all/end-all when it comes to Superman? Guess you have a problem, then, huh?
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oi vey... always with the speed. i find it funny that everyone seems to disregard gargoyle (who could quite possibly turn supes to stone). attuma beat namor so badly underwater that he was still afraid to battle attuma's forces on dry land hours later. as soon as supes releases the hammer (if he tries it to kill one of them) the hammer won't return as fast as supes can fly. one of the worthy could easily block it, or hinder its return, or while its gone they can perform aoe attacks.
seriously, kal gets destroyed by all these guys. hell, in his new incarnation creel was immune to pym's powers because he absorbed them. he could possibly do the same thing to superman and literally become a kryptonian.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/avacad16oroboroscps008.jpg/
this ain't your mama's absorbing man.... and titania is the one who taught him to dimension travel.
Grey Gargoyle shrugged off everything Iron Man had -except the energy blade that took most of his power- and was utterly wrecking him. Current Iron Man is definitely a mid herald. He did the best he has ever had against Thor not too long ago and had a decent showing against Mangog.
Attuma was taking on the entire Alpha Flight team, wrecked Speedball who is a Mid Herald, and destroyed Namor underwater. He's also taking on the Defenders soon.
The Worthy are all Elite Top Tiers barring Titania -I might change my mind if she keeps up the great showings in Avengers Academy, she wrecked current Quicksilver, Justice, and her hammer just colliding with Absorbing Man annihilated an entire city- and Sin.
Superman is going to get wrecked.
