Originally posted by Sundipped
This is MU weapon. He dosen't know what it is.
What?
Mxy most certainly knows about the existence of the Marvel Multiverse.
Between him tongue-in-cheek messing with the Fantastic Four during the Red Kryptonite trade, him and the Joker creating an entire universe that was a tongue-in-cheek of Ultimate Marvel and the fact he knows "our" universe exists and has traveled to it to give the folks at DC flak, there is no reason to think he wouldn't know who Galactus is and what the Ultimate Nullifier is.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
What?Mxy most certainly knows about the existence of the Marvel Multiverse.
Between him tongue-in-cheek messing with the Fantastic Four during the Red Kryptonite trade, him and the Joker creating an entire universe that was a tongue-in-cheek of Ultimate Marvel and the fact he knows "our" universe exists and has traveled to it to give the folks at DC flak, there is no reason to think he wouldn't know who Galactus is and what the Ultimate Nullifier is.
You know I forgot about aka "Mr.Pickles".
Most certainly since he's interacted with the F4 he would know about it since Reed was accustomed to holding it for safekeeping.
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkThere's no reason to think he knows what the UN is.
What?Mxy most certainly knows about the existence of the Marvel Multiverse.
Between him tongue-in-cheek messing with the Fantastic Four during the Red Kryptonite trade, him and the Joker creating an entire universe that was a tongue-in-cheek of Ultimate Marvel and the fact he knows "our" universe exists and has traveled to it to give the folks at DC flak, there is no reason to think he wouldn't know who Galactus is and what the Ultimate Nullifier is.
Originally posted by MindsetI thought it was assumed that if 'character A' brought a piece of weaponry to the battle, 'character B' would gain basic knowledge of said equipment- just like they gain basic knowledge of one anothers' respective powersets..?
The UN isn't basic knowledge.It's not being firing by Quasar.
You think if the UN would have been in Galactus' hands, Magus would have been incapable of accomplishing the same feat? Doubtful. Especially given the fact that Magus easily pwned Galactus with the same incomplete IG, in the very same arc.
Originally posted by cdtmProof? Mxy was simply retelling Lois/Clark the story of Ultimator. Absolutely nothing alluded to said event not actually happening.
Ultimator wasn't real.
That has never been the case as far as I know, and I've never seen a rule that said that.
Yes, I do. Galactus has been beaten by beings that could not stand up to the UN, so I don't see how that matters. UN is a deus ex machina device, which is why they had to use Quasar, who by looking at the comic, seems inept in using it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Proof? Mxy was simply retelling Lois/Clark the story of Ultimator. Absolutely nothing alluded to said event not actually happening.
When Mxy was leaving, he said "I'm heading back to the "real" fifth dimension!"
Meaning everything we saw was simply one of reality alterations. He wasn't just telling them the story, he was showing it to them.
And while there's no definitive proof it didn't happen, between all the stupid characters that were thinly veiled clones of existing characters, and the fact Mxy claimed he was pitching a comic book idea to them calls its legitimacy into question...
Not to mention, Mxy beat this supposedly all powerful Ultimator by encasing a comic he lead him into in plastic. Granted, he was asleep, but he'd eventually wake up.. Yeah, that's so bad it can't be anything but Mxy's bad writing, and not the writer of the actual Mxy story..
Originally posted by MindsetI've always been under the impression that each character has a general idea of the equipment they are up against. Seems logical, imo.
That has never been the case as far as I know, and I've never seen a rule that said that.
Originally posted by MindsetIt matters because the IG pwned the device, not the character (directly.) Quasar wasn't inept with the UN, per se. I mean, he could have clicked the button and destroyed the universe if he wanted -- but instead he was trying to focus the UN's 'destuctiveness' solely at Magus without destroying the universe/dying in the process (hence his nervousness and concentration.)
Yes, I do. Galactus has been beaten by beings that could not stand up to the UN, so I don't see how that matters. UN is a deus ex machina device, which is why they had to use Quasar, who by looking at the comic, seems inept in using it.
Galactus, on the other hand, has been destroyed by the UN every time he's used it on panel. Thus, some might call HIM inept with it. 😛
Originally posted by MindsetYou're wrong. uhuh
Your impression was wrong.The device works as well as the character can use it. He was inept because he couldn't properly use it the way he intended to.
He wanted to destroy himself when he used it.
The device can be used any number of ways (as Reed demonstrated)- but it's destructive capabilities (what matter in this battle) only work as fast as the user can push the button (which, as Magus demonstrated, is easy enough to get around assuming you're powerful enough.)
I believe mindset and focus plays a huge part (as well as motive) in determining how much damage can be done with the UN.
For example Morg had to cut his whole arm off to keep from being nullified when he shot it at Tyrant. His whole body would have been nullified in the process but his motive was to only erase Tyrant.
Reed was capable of erasing and resetting all of 616 reality in order to nullify Abraxas but nullified himself in the process.
If Reed had the same intentions vs. Magus with an incomplete IG does anyone think he would've done better than Quasar? I do. Not saying it would've went smoothly and completely nullified Magus but it would've been some kind of power struggle. V.S a complete IG tho UN stands no chance I will admit.
Yo.
Originally posted by Galan007
I've always been under the impression that each character has a general idea of the equipment they are up against. Seems logical, imo.
Originally posted by Mindset
Your impression was wrong.
Originally posted by Galan007
[B]You're wrong. uhuh
Mindsets correct, *however* to be fair towards Mxy he DOES usually show up knowing quite abit (or atleast more than U think a person normally would) about various ppl & subjects he gets involved with.
personally, Id settle for Mxy MAYBE having heard of it, but little else.......
Tazer
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Galan, I think, is right that weapons and such should generally be considered common knowledge and any competitor would start with at least basic knowledge.
In this case, I'm not sure the UN would count as it's almost never used and within the Marvel Universe there are probably a minimum number of people who know if its existence.