Russia's new stealth fighter, co-developed with India

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Canada is the loyal girlfriend of America...England's little sister who's always ready to give America a hand...job...

France and Germany are the skanks that expect America to spend time with them. uhuh

Originally posted by Quark_666
All due respect, was that meant to bear any resemblance to reality?

My government insisted on me coming here and telling my american friends that this jet "totally has them laserz!"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
NATO...smh.

They can't even subdue Libya without direct American assistance.

Well they can, the thing is that the european countries have no interest in engaging in a conflict atm because of the statebudget that many of them are in some way struggling with. And war is rather expensive. Also I think a great many countries were at the point of the Libya conflict afraid of a Iraq v.2.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well they can, the thing is that the european countries have no interest in engaging in a conflict atm because of the statebudget that many of them are in some way struggling with. And war is rather expensive. Also I think a great many countries were at the point of the Libya conflict afraid of a Iraq v.2.

European NATO allies were the ones pushing hardest for the Libyan conflict, moreso than America even, and were dragging their feet in Afghanistan long before the recession

Originally posted by inimalist
European NATO allies were the ones pushing hardest for the Libyan conflict, moreso than America even, and were dragging their feet in Afghanistan long before the recession

True but that wasn't the point I was addressing, the point was Omega Vision claiming that Nato without military assistance from America would be incapable of subduing Libya, which is simply not correct.

I then commented on that Nato have had problems with getting the required support for the conflict as it have been outlined quite a few times by Nato General secretary Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who has been out time and time again to call upon more countries joining and the countries that are already in the conflict to increase their support in terms of airplanes.

As for Afghanistan, it's from my perspective fairly simple politics. Libya is in many of the Nato allies backyard, Afghanistan isn't.

Originally posted by Utrigita
True but that wasn't the point I was addressing, the point was Omega Vision claiming that Nato without military assistance from America would be incapable of subduing Libya, which is simply not correct.

So yeah, they do need assistance from America.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
When America stopped performing air strikes and let the rest of NATO carry the burden of enforcing the no-fly zone it took just a few weeks for the European nations to run out of munitions, forcing them to borrow bombs and missiles from America.

So yeah, they do need assistance from America.

Actually many of the countries lended munitions from each other, (Denmark lended from Belgium for instance) mostly because many of the planes used from Britain and France (which are the major players) doesn't support much of the munition that the american planes are using. Lets not forget that none thought that the conflict would last this long, so no countries had actually been preparing the required amount of munition for the planes.

So they need indirect american assistance but could easily maintain a no flight zone by themselves, and what was it again that the Americans contributated with initial besides tomahawks? It was the royal navy that maintained a naval blockade (not America), it was the Brits and the french that made the first Sortie into Libya (not America) it was the Rafale French planes that was first in the air above libya (not America). America was a important player no doubt, but Britain themselves could have subdued Libya's defenses.

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Like most cheap knockoffs, you get what you pay for.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
All due respect, I feel like I wasted a smiley. sneer

Originally posted by Quark_666
I realize you were kidding, but I'm genuinely curious whether that's supposed to be vaguely satirical or purely fictitious.

i think he wants to argue about it

It doesn't really matter, except that I enjoy understanding the dynamics between nations.

its less like a girlfriend and more like a little brother

Originally posted by Omega Vision

So does this change anything?

If its going to be just as poor as the F-22, e.g. Sit on the runway, have its parts dissolve and rust, go through extensive repairs because the materials were useless and become a trophy plane with a lot of claims behind it.

Then all it will do will make an already poor country, poorer.

While that may or may not be true, the F-22 being useless garbage with a lot of myth behind it. It is how America best defeats its rivals, making them go bankrupt.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
NATO...smh.

They can't even subdue Libya without direct American assistance.

They dont need US assistance, no one really does, but we've found out that we can make the all powerful US cripple it's own country by 'asking' for assistance in every skirmish that comes along. And the US keep saying yes, and blowing more cash and more cash and more cash, while NATO bigwigs sit back and *evil laugh. Kkekeke. Like a trophy wife letting her dying obese husband eat cake from her naked body. She doesn't mind, the calories pile up, eventually...quids in!

who says the F-22 is useless? this is akin to saying "fighter jets are useless".

the F-22 is demonstrably a top tier, if not top period, fighter.

Fighter Jets are generally fine but the F-22 is not top tier, simply stated/claimed to be. If you look up Raptor exposed or flying enron theres US coverage/sources on why the F-22 is a crappy craft.

YouTube video

What do you mean by demonstrably?