Originally posted by Eternal Idol
It's fun to imagine.Normal Galactus drained Tiamut. Imagine what a fully-powered Galactus would do to Tiamut in a fight...
Too bad that never happened. What did happen though, as shown on panel, an IMPRISONED Tiamut completely altered Galactus' being and Galactus was helpless to stop it.
If he can do that while IMPRISONED, it's safe to say he'd crushed Galactus in a fair fight.
Originally posted by zopzop
Too bad that never happened. What did happen though, as shown on panel, an IMPRISONED Tiamut completely altered Galactus' being and Galactus was helpless to stop it.If he can do that while IMPRISONED, it's safe to say he'd crushed Galactus in a fair fight.
Confirmed by Guy, who is arguably Tiamut's biggest fan on this site:
Originally posted by guy222
Galactus 'consumed' Tiamut. 500,000 years later Galactus knew fear when Tiamut awokeTiamut gets past Big G
And there you have it, although I don't understand his reasoning. Galactus casually drained Tiamut of his power and left him for dead, and thousands of years later Tiamut somehow beats Galactus? And as I've said before, the "Galactus knew fear" line is more than likely being misinterpreted or just plain doesn't make any sense.
IMO, it makes perfect sense
Galactus thought he put away Tiamut for good
He prolly figures he cannot stop him this time
Tiamut has made stars
Tiamut put the entire Earth to sleep. He was goin to turn back time nearly 14 billion years. He faught over a trillion Horde
Its a shame because the run was cut short by three issues. Could've been info on Jack aka Fulcrum(homage to Jack Kirby)
Originally posted by zopzop
Too bad that never happened. What did happen though, as shown on panel, an IMPRISONED Tiamut completely altered Galactus' being and Galactus was helpless to stop it.If he can do that while IMPRISONED, it's safe to say he'd crushed Galactus in a fair fight.
i can't see why you argue DP Tyrant would destroy Galactus in a fight due to the bse energy manip
and argue that DP tyrant would beat the skyfathers also through bse energy manip
yet argue that Tiamut would crush Galactus when celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy.
You know, the same hyperspace energy that Hyperstorm was powerless to prevent Galactus from draining?
explain how you aren't taking a double standard approach here.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
i can't see why you argue DP Tyrant would destroy Galactus in a fight due to the bse energy manipand argue that DP tyrant would beat the skyfathers also through bse energy manip
yet argue that Tiamut would crush Galactus when celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy.
You know, the same hyperspace energy that Hyperstorm was powerless to prevent Galactus from draining?
explain how you aren't taking a double standard approach here.
Show me an issue where Celestials were weak to having their hyperspace energy drained. Because that's not how Exitar was beaten, you know that right?
Originally posted by zopzop
Show me an issue where Celestials were weak to having their hyperspace energy drained. Because that's not how Exitar was beaten, you know that right?
she had enough hyperspace manip in order to compromise exitar. Sue is only an energy manipulator, G is a manipulator and absorber to an N-th degree higher than her. You can't ignore that someone with even a miniscule amount of hyperspace manip was able to effect exitar to a high degree and exitar was powerless to prevent it.
This is not Sue Storm. You're acting as if G is only going to manip the hyperspace. And besides, you're still not admitting your double standard of arguing Tyrant would beat the skyfathers through bse manip and absorption when there's less evidence for that occurring/effecting sky fathers than there is for G and hyperspace absorption on entities that are fundamentally hyperspace in nature.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
she had enough hyperspace manip in order to compromise exitar. Sue is only an energy manipulator, G is a manipulator and absorber to an N-th degree higher than her. You can't ignore that someone with even a miniscule amount of hyperspace manip was able to effect exitar to a high degree and exitar was powerless to prevent it.This is not Sue Storm. You're acting as if G is only going to manip the hyperspace. And besides, you're still not admitting your double standard of arguing Tyrant would beat the skyfathers through bse manip and absorption when there's less evidence for that occurring/effecting sky fathers than there is for G and hyperspace absorption on entities that are fundamentally hyperspace in nature.
a) show me what issue Galactus demonstrated hyperspace energy blasts on the same frequency as Sue Storm's
b) show me the issue that any Celestial was beaten by absorbing it's hyperspace energy
I'm waiting.
At least with Tyrant we have on panel proof that he can absorb bioshpheric energies that have been metabolized into other forms of energy (like the Power Cosmic). The Gods were literally born from Earth's biosphere. Tyrant gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. We also have that on panel.
Originally posted by zopzop
a) show me what issue Galactus demonstrated hyperspace energy blasts on the same frequency as Sue Storm'sb) show me the issue that any Celestial was beaten by absorbing it's hyperspace energy
I'm waiting.
At least with Tyrant we have on panel proof that he can absorb bioshpheric energies that have been metabolized into other forms of energy (like the Power Cosmic). The Gods were literally born from Earth's biosphere. Tyrant gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. We also have that on panel.
This is ridiculous. You demand proof that directly supports your pre-conceived notions.
a) Galactus absorbed the hyperspace energies of Hyperstorm, who had absolute control of hyperspace and is infinitely a greater hyperspace manip than his grandmother. I can't believe you're asking to for scans that compare Galactus as Sue's superior in any facet when Galactus utterly rendered her grandson powerless. I literally can't believe it. Hyperstorm confronted Sue and demonstrated without question that his hyperspace manip is >>>>>than hers.
Celestials are comprised of Hyperspace energy. Sue Storm is totally irrelevant to this point aside from the fact that she proved on panel that a creature with a fraction of a fraction of Galactus' manip (in addition to absorption) powers was able to injure Exitar.
b) Celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy. I.E., hyperspace energy is what is encapsulated by their armor. You're asking for scans that essentially corroborate that if spider-man is drained of his blood by dracula, can spider-man be defeated. There are no scans since the two have never met in that fashion. Doesn't mean the tactic is invalid. In fact, you're asking me to prove a negative with this very posturing.
So now I'll turn it around and tell you to prove that Celestials can survive WITHOUT the stuff inside their armor. You know, hyperspace. Since it's been shown on-panel that Galactus can just feed of the stuff like a crack fiend.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
This is ridiculous. You demand proof that directly supports your pre-conceived notions.a) Galactus absorbed the hyperspace energies of Hyperstorm, who had absolute control of hyperspace and is infinitely a greater hyperspace manip than his grandmother. I can't believe you're asking to for scans that compare Galactus as Sue's superior in any facet when Galactus utterly rendered her grandson powerless. I literally can't believe it. Hyperstorm confronted Sue and demonstrated without question that his hyperspace manip is >>>>>than hers.
Celestials are comprised of Hyperspace energy. Sue Storm is totally irrelevant to this point aside from the fact that she proved on panel that a creature with a fraction of a fraction of Galactus' manip (in addition to absorption) powers was able to injure Exitar.
b) Celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy. I.E., hyperspace energy is what is encapsulated by their armor. You're asking for scans that essentially corroborate that if spider-man is drained of his blood by dracula, can spider-man be defeated. There are no scans since the two have never met in that fashion. Doesn't mean the tactic is invalid. In fact, you're asking me to prove a negative with this very posturing.
So now I'll turn it around and tell you to prove that Celestials can survive WITHOUT the stuff inside their armor. You know, hyperspace. Since it's been shown on-panel that Galactus can just feed of the stuff like a crack fiend.
Once again, show me scans of Celestials being beaten by draining their hyperspace energy, because the only time they were beaten using the "hyperspace trick" wasn't by draining them of it.
Originally posted by zopzop
Once again, show me scans of Celestials being beaten by draining their hyperspace energy, because the only time they were beaten using the "hyperspace trick" wasn't by draining them of it.
I'm not proving a negative to you. The burden of proof is on you, don't you get it? You're in no position to demand proof because the facts weigh against you not me. So again, where are the scans?
Galactus can absorb hyperspace energy. Fact.
Celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy. Fact.
Celestial was compromised by an individual (Sue storm) who could only manip- but not absorb - hyperspace energy. Fact.
Galactus absorbed and rendered helpless the grandson of Sue Storm (Hyperstorm) who demonstrated not only that he was clearly superior to Sue in every facet, he was actually consider to be "one" with the hyperspace dimension since his control of it was so absolute. Fact.
Celestials can survive without their hyperspace energies. Proof? You have to prove it son, not me. That's not my position, that's YOURS.
Galactus can take their hyperspace energies away from them. That's established. In no manner do I have to prove to you that taking away their hyperspace is ineffectual. You have to prove to me that having a canon-depicted attack employed against them will be ineffectual. Because it's already been depicted that a being who has absolute access and control to the hyperspace dimension couldn't do jack to Galactus.
Again, I'm waiting for the proof. The burden of proof is on you to prove to me that all the facts aforementioned lead to a Celestial surviving the hyperspace absorption. Prove to me that they can withstand that happening. Prove to me that they can continue functioning in ANY incapacitated state that involves having their very energies ripped from them. Because right now, by repeatedly not addressing any of the facts, you're implicitly affirming that they CAN survive having their hyperspace sucked out from them (much less, you still have yet to prove that Galactus will lose even after a Celestial has been stripped of hyperspace energy) when there are absolutely no facts at all to corroborate this...none. Support your position first, because none of what you've said so far undermines my position, which is fortified by facts and on-panel depictions, while you still have nothing.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
I'm not proving a negative to you. The burden of proof is on you, don't you get it? You're in no position to demand proof because the facts weigh against you not me. So again, where are the scans?Galactus can absorb hyperspace energy. Fact.
Celestials are comprised of hyperspace energy. Fact.
Celestial was compromised by an individual (Sue storm) who could only manip- but not absorb - hyperspace energy. Fact.
Galactus absorbed and rendered helpless the grandson of Sue Storm (Hyperstorm) who demonstrated not only that he was clearly superior to Sue in every facet, he was actually consider to be "one" with the hyperspace dimension since his control of it was so absolute. Fact.Celestials can survive without their hyperspace energies. Proof? You have to prove it son, not me. That's not my position, that's YOURS.
Galactus can take their hyperspace energies away from them. That's established. In no manner do I have to prove to you that taking away their hyperspace is ineffectual. You have to prove to me that having a canon-depicted attack employed against them will be ineffectual. Because it's already been depicted that a being who has absolute access and control to the hyperspace dimension couldn't do jack to Galactus.
Again, I'm waiting for the proof. The burden of proof is on you to prove to me that all the facts aforementioned lead to a Celestial surviving the hyperspace absorption. Prove to me that they can withstand that happening. Prove to me that they can continue functioning in ANY incapacitated state that involves having their very energies ripped from them. Because right now, by repeatedly not addressing any of the facts, you're implicitly affirming that they CAN survive having their hyperspace sucked out from them (much less, you still have yet to prove that Galactus will lose even after a Celestial has been stripped of hyperspace energy) when there are absolutely no facts at all to corroborate this...none. Support your position first, because none of what you've said so far undermines my position, which is fortified by facts and on-panel depictions, while you still have nothing.
Again, show me an issue where they were beaten by absorbing their hyperspace energy and not by jumping inside one and using a hyperspace construct to destroy it's soft spot. While your at it, show me Galactus creating a hyperspace construct (like Sue's FF's).
I'll wait.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Stops at Galactus...I too believe that Galactus should be able to consume Celestials based on the fact that he can feed off of Hyperspace Energy...
Whats to stop the Big G from feeding off of the Celestials energies the same way that DP Tyrant was able to feed off of his?
But nowhere does it say Celestials use "hyperspace energy" to blast or whatever. It merely says they "may" originate from hyperspace and using this "fact" IW still had to reach the "proper harmonic chord" to break through Exitar's outer shell (and later his skull, killing him).