Originally posted by NihilistThese comic fights are very much like boxing matches , prime might win one fight , hulk can win another.
Prime wins
It would go that way in this fight too. If prime wins the first time they fight then he might lose the remach . Hulk heals so there will always be a remach. Hulk might beat prime in the remach but then he might lose the third time they meet.
My point is that if they have a feud then both can win and lose fights.
Originally posted by BentleyIf you want proof read Hulk #635 , it shows a little recap of #634 and it shows that hulk did not die , he was still fighting red she hulk while all others were being vaporized.
So Hulk survived thanks to the wishing well? Then we would have to proof that he's capable of surviving his own power...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0again, most of AM's confirmed anti-matter energy is white in color. white.
I'm not trying to neuter Anti-Monitor. I'm telling you his antimatter core and blasts have been depicted as yellow white and pink. So by your reasoning in which color controls absolutely, then then the energies that make up Anti-Monitor's core have changed from antimatter to other kinds of energies numerous times. Care to speculate what his internal core was made of when it was pink or yellow?
the anti-matter wave he began generating in SC:
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9710/am1j.jpg
the touch that burned a guardian:
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/820/am2k.jpg
the energies of his very being:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5561/am3g.jpg
again: we know AM CAN make other types of energy. that's how he owned the guardians and amped psycho pirate during the first crisis. therefore your assumption that ALL of his energies are anti-matter-based is not only dumb, but it is outright wrong.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0"he is pure anti-matter energy" yeah, we already knew that. doesn't mean every blast he used is anti-matter energy, though.
Considering Anti-Monitor's very nature being antimatter, and his very antimatterness being focused on right before the blast in question,
and if you really believe that particular blast was pure anti-matter energy, then you must also believe that Soranik Natu is capable of surviving anti-matter (she tanked that first blast just as well as yat did afterall). and if a GL like her can survive pure anti-matter, then pretty much ANY 'upper tier' GL should be able to do the same.... Which we know couldn't be further from the truth.
again: you're just wrong in this case. accept it and move on.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0fixed for accuracy.
Bottom-line, I'm not going to assume that the blast that killed Ke'Haan or the blast that Nekron tanked were not antimatter blasts simply because they were yellow. Same for the blasts that killed multiple GLs which Sodam Yat AND Soranik Natu (a weak GL in comparison to some of the big names) survived. Whatever those blasts were, they were incinerating no-name GLs just as equally as the white blasts in another issue, just as equally as the yellow blasts in a another issue, all in the same storyline.
i'd prefer not to deviate from a characters MOST established history. Soranik Natu tanked the pink blast. yet a guardian was nearly killed by a simple touch of AM's white (anti-matter) energy.
2x2=?dur
^ Way to completely avoid the simple fact that Anti Monitor's core was colored pink, yellow and white.
Convince me that Anti-Monitor changed the energies that make up his core and his being and your "color controls" argument might have legs.
Until then, the blatant evasiveness through three post exchanges on this topic speaks volumes about your flimsy theory. Then again you can always bat 4/4 with your denial.
Originally posted by god of war 6661000 ft world breaker is surely the most powerful hulk will eventually squash prime seriously i believed a World Breaker hulk going all out will beat prime but now i'm speechless at this one...
He's healing factor has also probably reached an entirely new level. He healed when all his skin was melted off back when he was The Professor. That was his WEAKEST incarnation , just imagine his healing factor NOW , not to mention that prime is about the size of his "nose hole" . I prefer DC as comics but I just can't understand what Prime can do to him. He can heal any bone, organ or tissue AND throwing him into the sun will only power him up.The Sun also gives off gamma rays , hulk will most likely absorb them and grow EVEN LARGER. I was on Prime's side on all other "Prime vs. Hulk" threads but I can't figure out what he can do to him NOW.
Originally posted by john allerdyceYou focus on how one colorist colors Anti-Monitor in a single issue rather than how Anti-Monitor, his core and his blasts have been depicted across all his appearances. You believe you have points, plural, but you've so far presented me with a narrow point, singular, based on one comic that necessarily involves an utter absurdity: Anti-Monitor has changed his core energies on-panel from antimatter to... something else.
...says the guy who avoided all of my points. 😉
So tell me, what type of energy does Anti-Monitor become when his core is pink? Or yellow? Since it cannot possibly be antimatter in your imagination? Magnetic energy? Solar energy? Go ahead, tell me. Or you can go 5/5 in the denial route.
Originally posted by Simbonyes world breaker did destroy it with a dimension i saw it with my own eyes...it scared me to see the hulk like that when he grew so big that his foot stomped on fing fang foom *shivers*
Carver, is that you?Worldbreaker didn't destroy the dimension.
Hulk looked very impressive, but size doesn't tell us enough to judge power.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0laughable. your idiocy was expressed when you said that the pink blast AM used on yat was anti-matter energy. not trying to be harsh, but it IS idiotic to assume that soranik natu is capable of tanking a direct blast of anti-matter energy, when a guardian was fried by a mere touch of it. dunno if you're aware, but guardians are >>> middle-tier GLs. 😉
You focus on how one colorist colors Anti-Monitor in a single issue rather than how Anti-Monitor, his core and his blasts have been depicted across all his appearances. You believe you have points, plural, but you've so far presented me with a narrow point, singular, based on one comic that necessarily involves an utter absurdity: Anti-Monitor has changed his core energies on-panel from antimatter to... something else.So tell me, what type of energy does Anti-Monitor become when his core is pink? Or yellow? Since it cannot possibly be antimatter in your imagination? Magnetic energy? Solar energy? Go ahead, tell me. Or you can go 5/5 in the denial route.
^ 5/5. You've done an astonishing job in revealing how retarded your "color controls" argument is. Let me know when you make a respect thread for Anti-Monitor and showcase how he converted his entire form and blasts to solar energy when he blasted Nekron and Ke'Haan because, *gasp* the sh1t was yellow at the time!
Awesome job. 👆
^ Sh1tty Nice deflection from the obvious absurdity that your theory requires. Revealing that absurdity is simply the easiest way to debunk your entire assertion that "color controls." Particularly, the color depicted in a single issue by a single colorist. I'm sorry the underlying basis for your entire theory was completely destroyed in such a simple maneuver.
I'm not surprised though. Hasty attempts to aggrandize Superman Prime and lowball Sodam Yat usually end up that way. What's next for you, Thor's lightning being depicted equally as yellow, white and blue denotes different types of lightning?
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White core Anti-Monitor = Anti-Monitor?
Pink core Anti-Monitor = Magno-Monitor?
Yellow core Anti-Monitor = Solar-Monitor?
hysterical
Personally, I was never of the opinion that AM blasted Yat (and co) with anti-matter energy because Soranik also survived the initial blast. I mean, if Lanterns on her 'level' are capable of enduring anti-matter, then that opens up the door for a plethora of other characters to also survive it... Which essentially eliminates the effectiveness of anti-matter waves as a whole- and that is something I just cannot buy into. Anti-matter waves are some of the most uber forces in DC history. No GL (let alone a mid-leveler) is surviving energy of that magnitude. Imo.
My opinion has nothing to do with colors- I think that's ridiculously faulty. It has to do with portrayals.
^ I sincerely doubt a single blast failing to kill Sodam Yat and Soranik Natu essentially eliminates the effectiveness of antimatter waves as a whole. Cutting off the nose to spite the face is quite needless when there are simpler explanations. It's even more needless when Anti-Monitor was described as antimatter in the panels just preceding the blast to reveal how dangerous he was and reminding everyone of how he incinerated Ke'Haan.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It does, though. Anti-matter is anti-matter.
^ I sincerely doubt a single blast failing to kill Sodam Yat and Soranik Natu essentially eliminates the effectiveness of antimatter waves as a whole.
And I do think John made a fair point in between his childish color-rant: It's extremely hard to imagine a mid-level GL (Soranik) tanking a direct blast of anti-matter, when a Guardian was nearly killed by a single anti-matter touch (which left her permanently scarred, btw.)
