Personally? I think a Tony stark with just his own tech is gonna have a hard time putting down doomsday...
I think of when hulk came back to earth and how well Tony did... And Tony had how many decades to prep...
He's also fought alongside Thor for how long? And when Thor or sentry got pissed Tony when down like a hot knife through butter...
Bleeding tech or not. I seriously feel like you guys as selling dos doomsday short.
Personally I give only 4/10. Win me over. ;-)
Originally posted by rotiart
Personally? I think a Tony stark with just his own tech is gonna have a hard time putting down doomsday...I think of when hulk came back to earth and how well Tony did... And Tony had how many decades to prep...
He's also fought alongside Thor for how long? And when Thor or sentry got pissed Tony when down like a hot knife through butter...
Bleeding tech or not. I seriously feel like you guys as selling dos doomsday short.
Personally I give only 4/10. Win me over. ;-)
Tony really had no clue about what he was truly dealing with though. They knew he'd be more pissed then ever etc, but iirc they had no clue he'd become footstep coastal collapsing powerful. So in that instance he prepped for what he estimated would happen, but it was still incomplete information.
In this thread however, you're letting him review archived footage of the entire incident review files etc, and then prepping for three years based on what would essentially be realtime knowledge of the totality of dos dd's abilities, and even more importantly, knowledge of the kind of force that would be required to put him down. That's pretty devastating ammo in Tony's hands imo.
Originally posted by rotiart
Personally? I think a Tony stark with just his own tech is gonna have a hard time putting down doomsday...I think of when hulk came back to earth and how well Tony did... And Tony had how many decades to prep...
He's also fought alongside Thor for how long? And when Thor or sentry got pissed Tony when down like a hot knife through butter...
Bleeding tech or not. I seriously feel like you guys as selling dos doomsday short.
Personally I give only 4/10. Win me over. ;-)
Bleeding tech and Reach Tech, the latter of which is more advanced in many fields than his own.
Originally posted by dmills
Tony really had no clue about what he was truly dealing with though. They knew he'd be more pissed then ever etc, but iirc they had no clue he'd become footstep coastal collapsing powerful. So in that instance he prepped for what he estimated would happen, but it was still incomplete information.In this thread however, you're letting him review the footage of the entire incident, and then prepping for three years based on what would essentially be realtime knowledge of the totality of dos dd's abilities, and even more importantly, knowledge of the kind of force that would be required to put him down. That's pretty devastating ammo in Tony's hands imo.
If not for M.O.D.O.K. Tony's satellite wouldn't have stopped WB Hulk...
Originally posted by dmills
Tony really had no clue about what he was truly dealing with though. They knew he'd be more pissed then ever etc, but iirc they had no clue he'd become footstep coastal collapsing powerful. So in that instance he prepped for what he estimated would happen, but it was still incomplete information.In this thread however, you're letting him review archived footage of the entire incident review files etc, and then prepping for three years based on what would essentially be realtime knowledge of the totality of dos dd's abilities, and even more importantly, knowledge of the kind of force that would be required to put him down. That's pretty devastating ammo in Tony's hands imo.
And how does that change the rest of comic book history concerning iron man Vs hulk. Are you implying that savage hulk would lose against every prior incarnation of iron man... When usually it took thor and/or the rest of the avengers includin iron man to put down hulk.....
Seriously?
Originally posted by rotiart
And how does that change the rest of comic book history concerning iron man Vs hulk. Are you implying that savage hulk would lose against every prior incarnation of iron man... When usually it took thor and/or the rest of the avengers includin iron man to put down hulk.....Seriously?
I don't even understand what you're saying there...
As for this fight, I think Tony -given the stips- currently has the abilities to do it. Adding the Scarab only makes me that much more certain that he could pull it off at least 6/10. The biggest problem for Tony imo would be if he has what it takes in terms of power reserves to finish the job due to the sheer amount of punishment dos DD could take.
Originally posted by dmills
I don't even understand what you're saying there...As for this fight, I think Tony -given the stips- currently has the abilities to do it. Adding the Scarab only makes me that much more certain that he could pull it off at least 6/10. The biggest problem for Tony imo would be if he has what it takes in terms of power reserves to finish the job due to the sheer amount of punishment dos DD could take.
Let me rephrase it for you. You make it sound like Tony never considered the hulk as an opponent up to that point. Yet in his history He has created the hulkbuster to battle the hulk. It wasn't a "stomp" in Tonys favor... And this is a guy Tony has years of history with as a teammate Vs someone like doomsday who Tony would have no personal knowledge of.
Originally posted by rotiart
Let me rephrase it for you. You make it sound like Tony never considered the hulk as an opponent up to that point. Yet in his history He has created the hulkbuster to battle the hulk. It wasn't a "stomp" in Tonys favor... And this is a guy Tony has years of history with as a teammate Vs someone like doomsday who Tony would have no personal knowledge of.
Originally posted by rotiart
Let me rephrase it for you. You make it sound like Tony never considered the hulk as an opponent up to that point. Yet in his history He has created the hulkbuster to battle the hulk. It wasn't a "stomp" in Tonys favor... And this is a guy Tony has years of history with as a teammate Vs someone like doomsday who Tony would have no personal knowledge of.
Ah, ok I gotcha.
I think this scenario is a bit different though. Yes Tony prepared Hulkbuster armor etc and had intimate knowledge of the Hulk. But at the end of the day the guy is prepping for what might happen based on past encounters etc. However there are still factors he can't account for because it hasn't yet happened.
Unless I'm reading it a bit too literally, in this scenario that you've presented with Dos dd, you've allowed Tony to look into the past, prep for three years for a specific confrontation where he knows everything that's going to happen and then travel back in time to deal with it. There would be no surprises, no unaccounted for variables. He knows exactly what DD was capable of at that point in time and what he's going to do, so he could prep perfectly for it. His biggest issue would be being able to find a way to replicate the type of damage to dd that Supes laid on him that doesn't burn out his power source. He'd do it imo, but it'll be 6/10 blood, sweat and tears kinds of battles.
What you're describing with Tony and Hulk is more akin to two football teams prepping for a Sunday showdown. They can watch film and scout all they want, but at the end of the day, there's still a game to be played and no team knows exactly what's going to happen. However if one team were allowed to watch the game, see exactly what's going to happen, prep for it, and then go back in time to play said game. Odds are they'd stomp the opposition.
Originally posted by dmills
Ah, ok I gotcha.I think this scenario is a bit different though. Yes Tony prepared Hulkbuster armor etc and had intimate knowledge of the Hulk. But at the end of the day the guy is prepping for what might happen based on past encounters etc. However there are still factors he can't account for because it hasn't yet happened.
Unless I'm reading it a bit too literally, in this scenario that you've presented with Dos dd, you've allowed Tony to look into the past, prep for three years for a specific confrontation where he knows everything that's going to happen and then travel back in time to deal with it. There would be no surprises, no unaccounted for variables. He knows exactly what DD was capable of at that point in time and what he's going to do, so he could prep perfectly for it. His biggest issue would be being able to find a way to replicate the type of damage to dd that Supes laid on him that doesn't burn out his power source. He'd do it imo, but it'll be 6/10 blood, sweat and tears kinds of battles.
What you're describing with Tony and Hulk is more akin to two football teams prepping for a Sunday showdown. They can watch film and scout all they want, but at the end of the day, there's still a game to be played and no team knows exactly what's going to happen. However if one team were allowed to watch the game, see exactly what's going to happen, prep for it, and then go back in time to play said game. Odds are they'd stomp the opposition.
so you are saying that tony with his tech can make a suit of armor in three years that can physically match doomsday's strength, speed, and durability? since that would make them equals.. then the knowledge clears the wins... If he could... why doesn't he walk around in armor making him thors equal all day long hrm? I don't think that even with three years he'd be able to pull off the feat of making a physically comparable suit.
tactically he could probably build a space station that shoots a beam from space that knocks out doomsday sure.. but a suit of armor like the rest of his thor/hulk/whatever else busters?... no.