This is almost spite in favor of Thor.
Without his powers, Thor is still a massively powerful human.
Without his shield and SSS, Steve is a bean pole, albeit one with skill. Still his skill advantage, while great, isn't going to be enough against a guy physically superior to typical humans with enough skill and competence to be able to hit Steve at least once, which is all that it will take.
He does retain his skill. In the Super Soldier mini, without the serume, Steve managed to beat a couple of roided out henchmen thanks to quick acting and turning their weapons against them.
In a weaponless scenario against a depowered Thor who is still many times bigger and stronger than him and has more than enough to skill to hit Steve, it's not going to matter much.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHow big is thor? I mean I can't imagine hes taller than 7 ft max.
He does retain his skill. In the Super Soldier mini, without the serume, Steve managed to beat a couple of roided out henchmen thanks to quick acting and turning their weapons against them.In a weaponless scenario against a depowered Thor who is still many times bigger and stronger than him and has more than enough to skill to hit Steve, it's not going to matter much.
Except Cap without SSS fought the sisters of Sin. One of them was quite big and was hitting him, she was also shown smashing some metal chair with her fists. These guys (gals) were trained by the Red Skull. Hell at one point he was strapped to a table and still managed to dodge one of them. He also couldn't see properly.
I might put it in the Cap respect thread.
To Asgardians, being depowered and being mortal are two different things from what I've seen. Stripped of his power, Thor can still hang in a fist fight with Thing, beat down Grog the God Crusher etc. When reduced to a mortal form, he's still peak human or thereabouts because he's in excellent shape but that's it.
Depowered Thor takes it in a stomp. Reduced to a mortal, Thor should still win. Captain America is undoubtedly a more skilled fighter but the gap isn't so large that it can overcome even these odds. And yes, I know, he's Captain America.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah, incase there was any misconception this was intended to be a mortal thor.
To Asgardians, being depowered and being mortal are two different things from what I've seen. Stripped of his power, Thor can still hang in a fist fight with Thing, beat down Grog the God Crusher etc. When reduced to a mortal form, he's still peak human or thereabouts because he's in excellent shape but that's it.Depowered Thor takes it in a stomp. Reduced to a mortal, Thor should still win. Captain America is undoubtedly a more skilled fighter but the gap isn't so large that it can overcome even these odds. And yes, I know, he's Captain America.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap without the serum beating or doing well against henchmen is one thing.Him beating Thor in this state is another thing entirely.
Except I don't think Thor would easily beat them. We have seen Thor struggle against canon fodder and these gals were special because they were created by the Red Skull himself, they weren't just nobody. As I said one of them was quite strong, she probably had comparable strength to Thor (powerless of course).
Originally posted by Deadline
Except Cap without SSS fought the sisters of Sin. One of them was quite big and was hitting him, she was also shown smashing some metal chair with her fists. These guys (gals) were trained by the Red Skull. Hell at one point he was strapped to a table and still managed to dodge one of them. He also couldn't see properly.I might put it in the Cap respect thread.
Wasn't he remade younger? smaller?
Originally posted by Deadline
Except I don't think Thor would easily beat them. We have seen Thor struggle against canon fodder and these gals were special because they were created by the Red Skull himself, they weren't just nobody. As I said one of them was quite strong, she probably had comparable strength to Thor (powerless of course).
Created by the Red Skull you say? Oh my. Based on that information, Captain America obviously wins.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Wasn't he remade younger? smaller?
No he was turned into an old man.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Created by the Red Skull you say? Oh my. Based on that information, Captain America obviously wins.
Originally posted by Deadline
Except I don't think Thor would easily beat them. We have seen Thor struggle against canon fodder and these gals were special because they were created by the Red Skull himself, they weren't just nobody. As I said one of them was quite strong, she probably had comparable strength to Thor (powerless of course).
ie if they are canon fodder they're canon fodder of a highier standard.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Thor also has superior skill, he is an immortal warrior afterall, with that said, if you put these 2 at equal weight/ strength Thor will still win.
Just because he is a long lived warrior doesn't mean he has greater. Captain has masterd a alien form of martial arts and has used it to beaten dudes that has mastered it for years. Cap learns and adapts fighting techniques and tactics like nobody's business.
If things were all equal except skill. Cap would beat Thor without a doubt. Thats why we are talking about Thor in mortal form v.s. Cap without the SS, makes things more even.