Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Loki retreated as much as he retreated when Mad Thinker told him off during Acts of Vengeance and Loki left.
Oh please. 🙄
Did the Mad Thinker knock Loki on his ass, have his slave b|tch slap him, then cage him like a dog? Loki broke out and ran, which was the wise thing to do.
^ Loki gave as good as he got considering Loki knocked Appocalypse across the room to start, incinerated Kalibak, wrecked his base and his vaunted Celestial tech he thought would contain him. Hint: it didn't.
This left Kalibak shivering and blubbering about the power of the Gods for which Apocalypse's response was, "We must prepare... blahblahblah... my head's shaped like a dildo... blahblahblah"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Loki gave as good as he got considering Loki knocked Appocalypse across the room to start, incinerated Kalibak, wrecked his base and his vaunted Celestial tech he thought would contain him. Hint: it didn't.This left Kalibak shivering and blubbering about the power of the Gods for which Apocalypse's response was, "We must prepare... blahblahblah... my head's shaped like a dildo... blahblahblah"
Caliban was just fine after the incineration. Either he has a HF that took over or Apoc rezzed him. Either way it doesn't change the fact that Loki ran.
Caliban should shiver, he's not in Loki's league but I love how Apoc corrected him and said much of what Loki says is a lie. I mean he's a coward, so Loki also being a liar shouldn't come as a surprise.
Originally posted by zopzop
Caliban was just fine after the incineration. Either he has a HF that took over or Apoc rezzed him. [b]Either way it doesn't change the fact that Loki ran.Caliban should shiver, he's not in Loki's league but I love how Apoc corrected him and said much of what Loki says is a lie. I mean he's a coward, so Loki also being a liar shouldn't come as a surprise. [/B]
Exactly. LOKI took the initiative to attack apocalypse and SHOULD have had the advantage. At no point was apocalypse even remotely threatened or hurt here. You can sugarcoat the events as much as you want, but the fact is that when surprise attacked, apocalypse smacked loki around and immobilized him, and when Loki managed to free himself he fled.
you'd think if he was "clearly" above apocalypse, he'd retaliate for being humiliated that way.
^ Apocalypse rezzed him. Doesn't change the fact that Caliban was shivering in his mutie boots over Loki and his threats and his power and Apocalypse's only words of comfort were, "We'd best be preparin, my mutie butt-brother."
Caliban is nowhere near Apocalypse OR Loki in power. What does Caliban being afraid have to do with anything? And if you read the scan, the "being prepared" comment was in reference to Loki not being alone in his hatred of humanity/mutantkind (i.e. there are entire pantheons of equivalently powered beings) so preparation was necessary. Apocalypse's whole schtick is a giant war of "survival of the fittest" where the strong (mutantkind) eliminate the weak (everyone else), so this isn't really out of character.
note also that there are at least TWO alt-futures where apocalypse has conquered the planet and enslaved everyone else- and asgardians are nowhere to be found.
^Even if that were true...it happened in Apoc's place of power. If he couldn't defeat Loki there with the aid of his ally then I don't like his chances on neutral ground.
Originally posted by zopzop
Caliban was just fine after the incineration. Either he has a HF that took over or Apoc rezzed him. Either way it doesn't change the fact that Loki ran.Caliban should shiver, he's not in Loki's league but I love how Apoc corrected him and said much of what Loki says is a lie. I mean he's a coward, so Loki also being a liar shouldn't come as a surprise.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Apocalypse rezzed him. Doesn't change the fact that Caliban was shivering in his mutie boots over Loki and his threats and his power and Apocalypse's only words of comfort were, "We'd best be preparin, my mutie butt-brother."
Omg Apoc's SLAVE was shivering?! Stop the presses. Doesn't change the fact that Loki was humiliated and rather than fight it out, he ran. The damage to Apoc's base is to be expected, I mean the fight to place there and it's not like he can't repair it. It doesn't change the fact that Loki got out of there as soon as he could. You saw how Apoc undid the damage Loki did to Caliban.
Originally posted by Space M ummyApocalypse was the one who attacked him first. Loki overpowered his grasp and knocked Apocalypse across the room. Suggesting that Loki should have had the advantage because of that is inexplicable.
Exactly. LOKI took the initiative to attack apocalypse and SHOULD have had the advantage. At no point was apocalypse even remotely threatened or hurt here. You can sugarcoat the events as much as you want, but the fact is that when surprise attacked, apocalypse smacked loki around and immobilized him, and when Loki managed to free himself he fled.you'd think if he was "clearly" above apocalypse, he'd retaliate for being humiliated that way.
If anything, Apocalypse having Loki in his grasp, being in his home base, having his ally sneak attack him, being in his home base where plot device Celestial tech is lying around, Apocalypse should have had the advantage.
In the fight, they both gave as good as they got considering all of Apocalypse's advantages. Imagine Reed or Doom fighting in their bases with their plot device tech and tell me that's not an advantage that heavily skews it in their favor.
If Apocalypse's actual Celestial tech ain't doing crap, he alone's not doing crap. So placing an Apocalypse w/ all those varied advantages might be comparable to Loki.
But as Caliban's fears and Apocalypse's acknowledgement of Loki's threat and godly power evinces, Apocalypse < Loki. And that bears out based on their respective feats.
Originally posted by Space M ummyBecause Caliban is not only afraid of Loki's power for himself but for humanity and Apocalypse as well. To which Apocalypse does nothing to deny that threat and presumably goes off to make more sh1tty tech.
Caliban is nowhere near Apocalypse OR Loki in power. What does Caliban being afraid have to do with anything? And if you read the scan, the "being prepared" comment was in reference to Loki not being alone in his hatred of humanity/mutantkind (i.e. there are entire pantheons of equivalently powered beings) so preparation was necessary. Apocalypse's whole schtick is a giant war of "survival of the fittest" where the strong (mutantkind) eliminate the weak (everyone else), so this isn't really out of character.note also that there are at least TWO alt-futures where apocalypse has conquered the planet and enslaved everyone else- and asgardians are nowhere to be found.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Apocalypse was the one who attacked him first. Loki overpowered his grasp and knocked Apocalypse across the room. Suggesting that Loki should have had the advantage because of that is inexplicable.If anything, Apocalypse having Loki in his grasp, being in his home base, having his ally sneak attack him, being in his home base where plot device Celestial tech is lying around, Apocalypse should have had the advantage.
In the fight, they both gave as good as they got considering all of Apocalypse's advantages. Imagine Reed or Doom fighting in their bases with their plot device tech and tell me that's not an advantage that heavily skews it in their favor.
If Apocalypse's actual Celestial tech ain't doing crap, he alone's not doing crap. So placing an Apocalypse w/ all those varied advantages might be comparable to Loki.
But as Caliban's fears and Apocalypse's acknowledgement of Loki's threat and godly power evinces, Apocalypse < Loki. And that bears out based on their respective feats.
Loki ran right? Not Apoc. Loki RAN, after being knocked on his ass, pimp slapped by Apoc's slave and being caged like a dog. He ran as soon as he was able to. Apoc didn't go anywhere. Unlike what happened with the Mad Thinker. He was humiliated and he ran.
The damage to Apoc's base could be undone as easily as the damage to his slave was. He literally rezzed a guy that was a smoldering ruin.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
[B]^Even if that were true...it happened in Apoc's place of power. If he couldn't defeat Loki there with the aid of his ally then I don't like his chances on neutral ground.
1.) Loki knowingly invaded and attacked Apocalypse in his "place of power." either he knew what was there, thought himself above apoc's powers and tech and was wrong, or loki is an idiot who takes huge risks. Neither scenario really speaks favorably of loki since apoc comes out as smarter/more prepared in both scenarios.
2.) you're giving apocalypse a WEEK of prep. there is no "neutral ground"- whoever happens to be sitting on the bigger stockpile wins here, and giving apocalypse every single device he's ever used is a massive advantage.
^ What are you talking about? He wasn't invading his base. He just showed up out of the blue like he did to every other villain trying to con them into joining him.
Loki's machinations sh1t on Apocalypse's. You want to talk prep and stockpiles, Loki stomps him with Norn Storns amp that staggered Void, and he keeps entirely for himself instead of spreading around, and ragestomps Apoc.
Originally posted by zopzopWould you fight Reed or Doom in their base with their plot device tech lying around if you weren't going to convince them otherwise to voluntarily join you?
Loki ran right? Not Apoc. Loki RAN, after being knocked on his ass, pimp slapped by Apoc's slave and being caged like a dog. He ran as soon as he was able to. Apoc didn't go anywhere. Unlike what happened with the Mad Thinker. He was humiliated and he ran.The damage to Apoc's base could be undone as easily as the damage to his slave was. He literally rezzed a guy that was a smoldering ruin.
You make it sound like Loki was savign face. Arguable, barely. Taking his words at face value though makes sense. And even if you don't want to do so, why don't you take Apocalypse's statement at face value? Considering Apocalypse had "cleaned house" as you're trying to spin it, why is he comforting Caliban's fears with thoughts of preparations rather than comments about how he just pwned that noob?
Hint: he didn't.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What are you talking about? He wasn't invading his base. He just showed up out of the blue like he did to every other villain trying to con them into joining him. Would you fight Reed or Doom in their base with their plot device tech lying around if you weren't going to convince them otherwise to voluntarily join you?
showing up unannounced and forcing his way in to attempt to trick Apocalypse into doing his dirty work is "invading" his base. Loki and Apocalypse aren't allies. both are villains. one showing up in another's location univited is almost CERTAINLY going to be interpreted as a threat without very good reason.
You make it sound like Loki was savign face. Arguable, barely. Taking his words at face value though makes sense. And even if you don't want to do so, why don't you take Apocalypse's statement at face value? Considering Apocalypse had "cleaned house" as you're trying to spin it, why is he comforting Caliban's fears with thoughts of preparations rather than comments about how he just pwned that noob?
Hint: he didn't. [/B]
On the contrary, he dismissed loki's claims of godhood ("I too, have been a god"😉 before sending him running. Any claims that Apocalypse is somehow impressed by a "god" in his midst display a staggering lack of comprehension here. Caliban was a notorious coward before apocalypse empowered him. his fear is in character.
And again, because you missed it the first time, the "preparation" comment was in regards to Loki not being alone. There's no need to gloat about "owning noobs" when anyone with eyes just saw loki get whipped and sent running.
edit: and just to clarify, because it doesn't look like you understood- the preparations that must be made are for humanity as a whole for the coming war not apocalypse specifically, and apocalypse's "preparations" for that war consist of killing the weak- Keep in mind apocalypse won that war. twice.
Originally posted by golem370
Wasn't High E inpsired by Nathaniel
Yes, actually. HE was Sinister's apprentice. He surpassed him by quite a large margin though. Or should I say, HE took the applications of genetic manipulation in a far different direction as he focussed on improving himself and creating his New Men whereas Sinister focused on creating a master race of mutants and became obsessed with the Summers/Grey genome.
Plus Apocalypse kept Sinister on a short leash.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsApocalypse03.jpg
I think Apoc could teach Odin a thing or two about a proper headbutt 😂
