Ultron VS Magneto

Originally posted by leonidas
anit-metal just gives off vibrations that break down the bonds in any metal. if ultron couldn't stop a random effect, i don't see how he could stop someone ACTIVELY doing what anti-metal can do....

i agree with bran--it seems ultron should win, but without some proof he could resist mags power (i'm 100% positive he could defend against it with some knowledge of who he'd be facing) but without prep i don't see why he would be naturally defended against mags. mags doesn't even need to affect the outside--he could simply go straight for the insides of ultron and by-pass his exterior altogether. mags has some ridonkulous feats that suggest he could do so easily.

I'm 100% sure he could defend against it too, with prior knowledge.

But the robot is smarter than any human, you don't think he would have already calculated his enemies trying to use magnetism against him? He would have calculated and built in a defense in any number of his upgrades.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm 100% sure he could defend against it too, with prior knowledge.

But the robot is smarter than any human, you don't think he would have already calculated his enemies trying to use magnetism against him? He would have calculated and built in a defense in any number of his upgrades.

By that logic he would've calculated in a defense against everything.

He didn't.

Vision... The so called child of ultron....

Has molecular control to the point of being able to also increase and decrease his density...

And yet magneto has his number... I'd think the molecular rearrangement used by vision would be similar to ultron seeing as how ultron created vision...

Thus magneto should win

Ultron can definitely negate Magneto's mutant power but would he have that contingency in place without ever having fought Magneto before? It's entirely possible, recently we saw a future time-line where Ultron stomps like all the heavy hitters of Earth (Even Surfer) IIRC. If Magneto can affect him, Ultron loses, in a straight up fight a lot of incarnations would wreck Magnus. Ultron has consistently been a herald wrecker for a long time.

Originally posted by curryman
By that logic he would've calculated in a defense against everything.

He didn't.

Not true. He can't defend against plot devices. But he can certainly be assumed smart enough to defend from magnetism... you know, being made of metal and all.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Not true. He can't defend against plot devices. But he can certainly be assumed smart enough to defend from magnetism... you know, being made of metal and all.

Everything is magnetic.

Some things more than others.

This isn't 1964 where you can wrap yourself in rubber and beat Magneto.

There's a bit more depth to the character and his powers 🙂

Originally posted by curryman
Everything is magnetic.

Some things more than others.

This isn't 1964 where you can wrap yourself in rubber and beat Magneto.

There's a bit more depth to the character and his powers 🙂

I never claimed it wasn't. I just stated that Ultron is smart enough to have already upgraded himself to defend against it.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm 100% sure he could defend against it too, with prior knowledge.

But the robot is smarter than any human, you don't think he would have already calculated his enemies trying to use magnetism against him? He would have calculated and built in a defense in any number of his upgrades.

oh sure, it's possible. i think that's what rage was alluding to as well. i just don't think in this battle we can ASSUME he would without ever seeing any indication of such. i'm not gonna fault anyone for claiming on faith that ultron would beat mags. (it's similar to the thor/ss vs dd thread where someone says ss could just shut off his evolving ability--though there is no proof he could resist that, i just think based on what he was and what he was intended to be, i see that effort failing, so i get why people wanna say ultron just because he's ultron). in a book, mags wouldn't be an issue as ultron would have been somehow ready for him. but in this forum match, there's no proof he could resist mags so for the purposes of this thread i'd say mags could take him--speculation aside. hypocritical? meh, maybe, but we think what we will...

Originally posted by Odekahn
I never claimed it wasn't. I just stated that Ultron is smart enough to have already upgraded himself to defend against it.

Proof?

Originally posted by curryman
Proof?

He's smarter than tony and he thought of it...

I'd go ahead and say that in a comic, Ultron would have a defense to Magneto if they were just randomly placed in the same room.

But without seeing it, I can't see Ultron beating him.

Originally posted by 753
magneto can most certainly fight hulk and thor and should beat classic savage hulk for a majority.

🤣

Originally posted by leonidas
oh sure, it's possible. i think that's what rage was alluding to as well. i just don't think in this battle we can ASSUME he would without ever seeing any indication of such. i'm not gonna fault anyone for claiming on faith that ultron would beat mags. (it's similar to the thor/ss vs dd thread where someone says ss could just shut off his evolving ability--though there is no proof he could resist that, i just think based on what he was and what he was intended to be, i see that effort failing, so i get why people wanna say ultron just because he's ultron). in a book, mags wouldn't be an issue as ultron would have been somehow ready for him. but in this forum match, there's no proof he could resist mags so for the purposes of this thread i'd say mags could take him--speculation aside. hypocritical? meh, maybe, but we think what we will...

Ok that makes sense. I can see the reverse too, if Ultron were retarded and somehow didn't think to make his invulnerable metal body not affected by magnetism (in a world of mutants and people with super powers). In that case magneto can control the essence of what Ultron is. He would be a god to Ultron.

Originally posted by leonidas
anit-metal just gives off vibrations that break down the bonds in any metal. if ultron couldn't stop a random effect, i don't see how he could stop someone ACTIVELY doing what anti-metal can do....

i agree with bran--it seems ultron should win, but without some proof he could resist mags power (i'm 100% positive he could defend against it with some knowledge of who he'd be facing) but without prep i don't see why he would be naturally defended against mags. mags doesn't even need to affect the outside--he could simply go straight for the insides of ultron and by-pass his exterior altogether. mags has some ridonkulous feats that suggest he could do so easily.

Yeah, I think that both things together make an strong case for Mags until there is proof of the contrary.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Magneto fight,Hulk and Thor? 😂 what's next!? He can fight Silver Surfer to a standstill!? 😆

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seen as the SS is a superior energy manipulator in every way, obviously he'd beat magneto at his own game. hulk wouldn't.

and as for thor, while mags wouldn't take a majority, he could certainly beat him 3-4/10.

Originally posted by 753
you dont' know much about mags do you?

seen as the SS is a superior energy manipulator in every way, obviously he'd beat magneto at his own game. hulk wouldn't.

and as for thor, while mags wouldn't take a majority, he could certainly beat him 3-4/10.

Lol I was joking around with the SS thing ❌

Lol if we are talking about,how many times one can get a win...than perps apps Mags will get a few....don't see how but agreed.

Back in the day, like early classic Ultron, I would say Magneto would probably take a majority.

But Ultron is smarter than the likes of Magneto, Stark etc. and Stark and other guys have come up with methods of defending against Mags or sometimes defeating him. It wouldn't surprise me that Ultron has thought about how to counter a very well-known mutant who might one day be a threat to him.

And Ultron evolves. We saw a near-future scenario in Avengers where Ultron was taking a combined attack from Magneto, Silver Surfer, Quasar, Doom, Kang, Ms Marvel, Pulsar, and what looked like Thor and dozens of other heroes. Now I don't think he is currently anything like that evolved yet, but I do think Magneto might be in for a few surprises.

Originally posted by basilisk
Back in the day, like early classic Ultron, I would say Magneto would probably take a majority.

But Ultron is smarter than the likes of Magneto, Stark etc. and Stark and other guys have come up with methods of defending against Mags or sometimes defeating him. It wouldn't surprise me that Ultron has thought about how to counter a very well-known mutant who might one day be a threat to him.

And Ultron evolves. We saw a near-future scenario in Avengers where Ultron was taking a combined attack from Magneto, Silver Surfer, Quasar, Doom, Kang, Ms Marvel, Pulsar, and what looked like Thor and dozens of other heroes. Now I don't think he is currently anything like that evolved yet, but I do think Magneto might be in for a few surprises.

Current Ultron has taken over marvel earth. He had to plow through all the resident heralds to make that happen.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Current Ultron has taken over marvel earth. He had to plow through all the resident heralds to make that happen.

Has Ultron ever shown anything to negate Magnetism? If so, he'll rip Mags apart. If not, Mags turns him inside out.