Apocalypse & Mr. Sinister vs. Loki & Enchantress

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Let's:

You said Team 1 wins and you seemed to be pretty certain. You left a little room for error? Okay, I don't give a f*ck.

My point is that you obviously know very little about Team 2 and yet had no problem declaring Team 1 as the winner. You talked out of your ass. Just admit it and I'll drop it.

You gave Sinister more credit than that:

The Dark Avengers were giving Asgard trouble during Siege, for Fox's sake. I don't think it should have happened at all, ever... but since this forum emphasizes on-panel feats, it's legit. Sinister would wipe the goddamned floor with the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts. So with that in mind, yes, it is feasible for him to be a legitimate threat to the Asgardians, especially if he makes full use of his library of powers.

Classic Apocalypse is a monster, and I don't even have to go into detail why. Loki ran from him once, and nevermind the circumstances, he still ran. You can chalk it up to writer's bias, but the way I see it, Loki could have laughed at classic Apocalypse and wasted him if he were so much more powerful than him.

Originally posted by zopzop
So Loki ran from a guy that can't even beat the X-Men cleanly? How much more pathetic does taht make Loki? 🙄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Trying to start a feat war between Loki/Apocalypse is one thing (Still pretty insane) but I don't think he'll go as far as lowballing the other side. Not with Apocalypse's track record.

Originally posted by zopzop
HE's armor was resisting. Big deal. It was a basic defense mechanism. It wasn't like HE was going all out.

You really want me to post that scan and make you look foolish?

Considering that Savage Hulk literally pounded him into crap with HE fighting back, using that fight with Apoc as any sort of evidence is hilarious. Let me know wen Apoc beats an X-Men team or beats three Thors or contends with Skyfathers.

Enchantress wrecks Apocalypse something fierce. Loki isn't even a question. Particularly to Apocalypse who acknowledged fully the threat he faced after his home and tech and minion got wrecked on his homeground.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The Dark Avengers were giving Asgard trouble during Siege, for Fox's sake. I don't think it should have happened at all, ever... but since this forum emphasizes on-panel feats, it's legit. Sinister would wipe the goddamned floor with the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts. So with that in mind, yes, it is feasible for him to be a legitimate threat to the Asgardians, especially if he makes full use of his library of powers.

Classic Apocalypse is a monster, and I don't even have to go into detail why. Loki ran from him once, and nevermind the circumstances, he still ran. You can chalk it up to writer's bias, but the way I see it, Loki could have laughed at classic Apocalypse and wasted him if he were so much more powerful than him.

So since this post has very little to do with what we were discussing (You talking out of your ass) I'm going to take this as a concession. Now that we've got that settled, let's discuss the content of this uniformed little beauty.

Based on what events in Siege did you reach the conclusion that Sinister would give Loki/Amora as much trouble as you believed? For the record, the Dark Avengers and the forces assembled against Asgard would rape Sinister and Apocalypse much less Sinister by his lonesome.

No, please do go into detail. Tell me why Classic Apocalypse is such a monster in comparison to Loki and his record. Let's compare their respective history. So Loki ran from Apocalypse once and the details don't matter? Alright, Apocalypse once ran from Namor and a table but since the details don't matter I'll take it as it is. For the record, Loki left because there was no benefit. He did something similar to the Mad Thinker.

I'm beginning to think it's not limited to just Team 2, you just know very little in general.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki fights one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, high herald in Marvel and can make him work his ass off for the win. And he's done it consistently through out his very history.

Frankly, that alone is beyond what Apocalypse has done as a whole.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And in addition to Surfer, he also gave Thor hell too

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So since this post has very little to do with what we were discussing (You talking out of your ass) I'm going to take this as a concession. Now that we've got that settled, let's discuss the content of this uniformed little beauty.

Based on what events in Siege did you reach the conclusion that Sinister would give Loki/Amora as much trouble as you believed? For the record, the Dark Avengers and the forces assembled against Asgard would [b]rape Sinister and Apocalypse much less Sinister by his lonesome.

No, please do go into detail. Tell me why Classic Apocalypse is such a monster in comparison to Loki and his record. Let's compare their respective history. So Loki ran from Apocalypse once and the details don't matter? Alright, Apocalypse once ran from Namor and a table but since the details don't matter I'll take it as it is. For the record, Loki left because there was no benefit. He did something similar to the Mad Thinker.

I'm beginning to think it's not limited to just Team 2, you just know very little in general. [/B]

Sinister has made X-Man his ***** on at least one occasion (via mindblast, if I remember correctly). That feat alone gives him the win against the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts, who gave the Asgardians hell during Siege. That's without even going into the various other powers at his disposal.

And nobody phucks with Namor, especially if he has an arsenal of high-quality wooden furniture within his grasp.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Sinister has made X-Man his ***** on at least one occasion (via mindblast, if I remember correctly). That feat alone gives him the win against the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts, who gave the Asgardians hell during Siege. That's without even going into the various other powers at his disposal.

The more you post the less informed you seem.

Do you even know what type of forces were assembled against Asgard? Thinking that Sinister can them on alone is one of the most dumbest things I've ever read. And I've encountered Starscream on various occasions. Reynolds alone would rape stomp Team 1.

Out of curiosity, when did Sinister punk X-man? Age of Apocalypse Sinister had a decent showing IIRC at one point but that's all I remember.

And you still haven't told me what events in Siege led you to believe Sinister would be such a big problem for Amora and Loki?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
And nobody phucks with Namor, especially if he has an arsenal of high-quality wooden furniture within his grasp.

I think you should quit before you dig yourself a deeper hole. You're not very good at this debating thing. At least so far.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The more you post the less informed you seem.

Do you even know what type of forces were assembled against Asgard? Thinking that Sinister can them on alone is one of the most dumbest things I've ever read. And I've encountered Starscream on various occasions. Reynolds alone would rape stomp Team 1.

Out of curiosity, when did Sinister punk X-man? Age of Apocalypse Sinister had a decent showing IIRC at one point but that's all I remember.

And you still haven't told me what events in Siege led you to believe Sinister would be such a big problem for Amora and Loki?

Sentry doesn't count. Sinister mindrapes the rest of the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts the way he did Nate Grey and the X-Men.

As for when it happened, I forget. I know there's a scan in Sinister's respect thread. Give me a moment and I'll post it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think you should quit before you dig yourself a deeper hole. You're not very good at this debating thing. At least so far.

Buy one.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=438339&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Sinister pwns X-Man and X-Force without even so much as breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In the end, Apocalypse literally acknowledged Loki's superior power. And literally acknowleged he had to perpare since his trump card, Celestial tech, proved worthless.

From your own thread :
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Fights/LokivsApocalypse06.jpg

Loki's ass ran. Where did he acknowledge Loki as superior in anything except turning tail and fleeing? As you can see he didn't even fear Loki saying much of what he says are lies and that he had to prepare because "HE IS NOT ALONE IN HIS HATRED OF OUR KIND".

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Considering that Savage Hulk literally pounded him into crap with HE fighting back, using that fight with Apoc as any sort of evidence is hilarious. Let me know wen Apoc beats an X-Men team or beats three Thors or contends with Skyfathers.

Enchantress wrecks Apocalypse something fierce. Loki isn't even a question. Particularly to Apocalypse who acknowledged fully the threat he faced after his home and tech and minion got wrecked on his homeground.

Loki ran we know that for a fact because it's on panel. I don't see what Enchantress would do aside from get pounded on by Apoc.

Hulk beat a suicidal HE, he wasn't even trying to fight/kill the Hulk. It was his armor that was resisting.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Don't compare me to Starscream. EVER.

Sentry doesn't count. Sinister mindrapes the rest of the Dark Avengers and the Thunderbolts the way he did Nate Grey and the X-Men.

As for when it happened, I forget. I know there's a scan in Sinister's respect thread. Give me a moment and I'll post it.

Then stop being as silly.

And exactly who the hell decided that? You?

If you're referring to the scene that I think you are, Sinister didn't mind rape them directly. He channeled X-man's own psionic energy. Based on that scene and the scans you posted, he seems to have much more finesse and control than Nate so I'll give him that. Still means shit to Loki/Amora and doesn't support him beating the forces assembled against Asgard. Not one bit.

It should also be noted that Sinister had intimate knowledge of Nate Grey and how his mind worked. More so than even Nate. Which makes sense because in terms of raw psychic power, Nate Grey is far more powerful than Sinister.

I'm going to pm Id and ask if there were any extenuating circumstances. I lost my X-man collection recently.

You have also yet to tell me what events in Siege have led you to believe Sinister would be such a big problem for Amora and Loki.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Buy one.

Sorry, I'm broke.

Mr. Sinister vs.

Dark Avengers:

Norman Osborn (blasted or mind-raped)
Daken (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Bullseye (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Gargan Venom (blasted or mind-raped)
Ares (mind-raped)
Moonstone (mind-raped then date-raped)

Thunderbolts

Ghost (vaporized, beaten or mind-raped)
Paladin (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Scourge (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Headsman (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Grizzly (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Mr. X (vaporized, beaten, or mind-raped)
Black Widow (mind-raped then date-raped)

Ares could possibly have defenses against telepathy, so that's up for debate, I guess. Sentry (non-Void) is already phucked in the head, so messing with it some more could either put him down or make him go apeshit.

Either way, those are the only two that stand a chance against Sinister. He's a powerful character, and could definitely hurt both Loki and Amora.

whathefuk

Apoc headbutts team 2 like he did Loki before. Sinister gets his scalpels ready strapping them to the operating table.

No seriously it would be a good fight but with magic the outcome is hard to call. Sinister is definately a threat however, many are underestimathing him a lot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Loki's beat the phuck out of the X-Men twice. One time, with a single hand gesture. Whereas Apocalypse can't. Get a clue. He jerks off to Galactus sweat drops, I don't put anything past him. He couldn't help but fight Savage Hulk with all of his powers.

Considering that Savage Hulk literally pounded him into crap with HE fighting back, using that fight with Apoc as any sort of evidence is hilarious. Let me know wen Apoc beats an X-Men team or beats three Thors or contends with Skyfathers.

Enchantress wrecks Apocalypse something fierce. Loki isn't even a question. Particularly to Apocalypse who acknowledged fully the threat he faced after his home and tech and minion got wrecked on his homeground. [/B]

???

Apocalypse owned XFactor, the original Xmen team (Scott, Jean, Angel, Beast, Iceman) repeatedly. The entire point of his character was that they could NOT beat him. Apocalypose was literally immune to EVERY assault they could come up with until killed via plot device in Xfactor #74(?).

Sinister was just as bad. Wrecked entire teams of Xmen, blew up the mansion in one shot, and was immune to every attack they could come up with with the exception of scott's optic blast, which was later revealed to be a feint.

Both Sinister and Apocalypse can and have wrecked teams of Xmen by themselves more than once.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
???

Apocalypse owned XFactor, the original Xmen team (Scott, Jean, Angel, Beast, Iceman) repeatedly. The entire point of his character was that they could NOT beat him. Apocalypose was literally immune to EVERY assault they could come up with until killed via plot device in Xfactor #74(?).

Sinister was just as bad. Wrecked entire teams of Xmen, blew up the mansion in one shot, and [b]was immune to every attack they could come up with with the exception of scott's optic blast, which was later revealed to be a feint.

Both Sinister and Apocalypse can and have wrecked teams of Xmen by themselves more than once. [/B]

Its a massive common mistake that people say Apoc jobs, its usually poster dont know or just ignore the context of what happened.

Originally posted by Nihilist
👆 Apoc beat the Xmen in under a minute whilst dying.

Its a massive common mistake taht people say Apoc jobs, its usually poster dont know or just ignore the context of what happened.

oh yeah, forgot about that one. During X-cutioner's song where he was literally falling apart, due to his regeneration being interrupted.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
with the exception of scott's optic blast, which was later revealed to be a feint.

i would so retcon that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i would so retcon that.

? not sure what you mean here.

Scott's optic blast was originally written to be some kind of weakness for Sinister- this also shows up in the Xmen cartoon back in the 90s. Another writer retconned it later, showing it had no effect and Sinister was playing mind games.

here's one: here, we see a vampire claim Apocalypse cut a tribe of N'garai demons to pieces, singlehandedly.

per this link N'garai are the demons that Belasco serves, and owes his powers to. ONE of them caused serious problems for a team of Xmen, and overwhelmed the mind of professor X.