Originally posted by Cogito
100% true.I will not accept that Thor is capable of one-shot killing anyone on that list.
I don't care if the notion that Mjolnir can one shot these beings troubles you. Angrir took shots from Rulk better than any Herald would on average (Made more impressive by the fact that Bendis thinks he's above standard Savage Hulk, at least his Thor does, which makes sense as he has Loeb whispering in his ear. Tbf, Bendis is suspect when it comes to depictions.) and took a Mjolnir throw to the face better than anyone on this list should considering the circumstances. That along with Angrig being compared to Thor in power makes it pretty clear that the intent was to make him a High Herald level threat.
Whether a result of Odin's enchantment or Mjolnir's power, Thor was able to one shot him. I might be a Thor bag but I know a fair bit about everyone on that list and I highly doubt even Surfer/Superman would fair noticeably better.
If it makes you feel better, entities even as powerful as Odin/Galactus/Surtur etc. would be wise to dodge attacks from a high end Thor.
Originally posted by Cogito
Thor super-fans want to believe he's a sometimes skyfather. Thing is, Thor ain't no skyfather.The people on that list have taken hits from real skyfathers+, and they're still around. Thor fairs no better. Some of you can stop wanking now, you probably need a break and a bucket of lotion.
I hope I never get into a feat war with you involving Thor. I don't think you'd be able to handle the shit I'd post.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Depending on the writer and how they feel about Superman's aversion to magic, it's possible he gets KO'd or seriously injured.
It depends on how they view Superman's weakness to magic. If it's the more crippling interpretation, then even a regular blow from Mjolnir should reduce Clark to a stain if you consider Mjolnir to be a magical weapon. Those are the type of writers who have Clark getting his ass kicked by Werewolves, Vampires, injured by a regular sword simply because simply being in a place where magic was potent had negative effects and so on. He's almost a liability against magical foes in such stories. Thor w/Mjolnir vs. Superman isn't really a fair fight as a result unless he dodges everything but Thor's punches.
On the other side of the spectrum, there's someone like Busiek who thinks unless the mystical energy is directed to specifically do something, Clark's no more vulnerable than anybody else on his level. Somewhere in the middle you have a writer like Morrison who has Superman vulnerable magical energies in general but he won't be brought to his knees just by being in the presence of magic or anything that extreme unless it's unusually potent etc. I think at this point, most writers are in the middle but at the end, it depends on what's needed for the story.
If you're going to have Thor fight Superman though, Busiek's take is what I'd adopt if you want a fair fight. If Superman beats Thor, it'll be barely, adding that vulnerability reduces the quality of the fight.
I know that was unnecessarily long, my bad.
I know Surfer has withstood 3 hammer throws (Only 1 was direct IIRC) so far but so what? Angrir did the same against a healthier Thor. As a matter of fact I think he might have taken the hit better than Surfer took his. I'd have to double check to be sure.
It never happening before isn't going to fly here.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It never happening before isn't going to fly here.
That's stupid.
If it's never happened before, but it happened here, then logically I'm going to question Thing's durability.
Unless there's reason to believe that particular hammer recall was amped*.
*I don't care for FI, so I'm not reading it. I did skim that issue though.
Granted, it was in a What If, but in the What If where Set comes to Earth, Set (who is a full fledged Elder God) swallowed Mjolnir and the enchantment causing Mjolnir to return to Thor was so powerful than it actually destroyed one of Sets heads (Set had 7 heads of course)...
The enchantment on Mjolnir is definitely strong enough to kill anyone on that list thats in the way of it returning to Thors hand...
Originally posted by Uriel005
Franklin's a damn troll now. Watch him solo the rest of the worthy and the serpent just to put an end to this nonsense.
Franklin's full potential has been described as rivaling a Celestial. He could slaughter the Serpent and his Worthy like gnats if he's at his full potential.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Granted, it was in a What If, but in the What If where Set comes to Earth, Set (who is a full fledged Elder God) swallowed Mjolnir and the enchantment causing Mjolnir to return to Thor was so powerful than it actually destroyed one of Sets heads (Set had 7 heads of course)...The enchantment on Mjolnir is definitely strong enough to kill anyone on that list thats in the way of it returning to Thors hand...
Not really impressive seeing as how SS blew off one of Set's heads in that issue effortlessly and the combined power of the rest of Set's heads only knocked Surfer from his board. That issue was garbage from page 1.
Originally posted by Cogito
That's stupid.If it's never happened before, but it happened here, then logically I'm going to question Thing's durability.
Unless there's reason to believe that particular hammer recall was amped*.
*I don't care for FI, so I'm not reading it. I did skim that issue though.
Thor has never actively called Mjolnir to his hand while someone was in the way as far as I know. But based on what we know about Mjolnir's enchantments and it's power, the scene wouldn't be unreasonable even if it was an established Top Tier.
Thing is most likely not as invulnerable as Surfer or Superman but I'd be comfortable in saying he's just as tough. I just double checked and that Mjolnir throw might have not completely knocked him off his feet.
It's pretty obvious imo that Fraction intended Thing to be incredibly tough and powerful. The only reason you won't accept this is because it means acknowledging Thor's power etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's pretty obvious imo that Fraction intended Thing to be incredibly tough and powerful. The only reason you won't accept this is because it means acknowledging Thor's power etc.
Oh I acknowledge Thor's power. When a feat seems to have uncharacteristically powerful effects against a new and mostly featless character, I'm going to question the durability of the new character.
Originally posted by Cogito
Oh I acknowledge Thor's power. When a feat seems to have uncharacteristically powerful effects against a new and mostly featless character, I'm going to question the durability of the new character.
Feat less? It could not have been made more clearer that Thing was an Elite Top Tier unless they lined up Hulk, Surfer etc. to get pounded on. We even got power level comparisons but somehow that's still not enough.
Withstanding the Mjolnir throw as well as he did alone proves he's just as tough as any Herald. He also wrecked Rulk who's an elite brick.
Five gets you ten that if I were to call Darkseid from Final Crisis feat less I'd get a one page essay about how great Darkseid was even though all he did was sit on a toilet bleeding.
For the record, this isn't the first time a serious Thor has one shotted a Herald level being or illustrated such high end power.