Doc Ock vs Wolverine

Doc Ock is faster than wolverine. Tougher? I don't think so. Those arms aren't made of Adamantium therefore Wolverine can slice right through them. Without the arms he's just a regular flabby-ass human and this fight is over. But for the sake of argument lets say Ock has Wolverine pinned down. What can he really do to him? Wolverines bones are made of Adamantium which as I've just pointed out is way tougher than what Ocks arms are made of. (Unless its the adamantium-harness ock) Even if you take the adamantium bones out of the equation, Wolverines healing factor will just repair any injuries Ock inflicts upon him. Ock can't do any serious damage to him and Wolverine isn't fast enough to hit Ock. At best, this fight is a stalemate, with Wolverine possibly taking it due to his indestructible claws and MUCH higher endurance.

A bullet from a random cop took out Wolverine in X2 for a good amount of time, when Pyro was having his fun, so why wouldn't anything Ock does to Logan have a similar effect?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
A bullet from a random cop took out Wolverine in X2 for a good amount of time, when Pyro was having his fun, so why wouldn't anything Ock does to Logan have a similar effect?

I didn't say it wouldn't, but Logan can heal from it, as shown in X2 he was completely fine after a few minutes. All Wolverine needs is one good hit and Ock is done. Ock can't take damage the way Wolverine can, nowhere near.

Originally posted by Makashidude
I didn't say it wouldn't, but Logan can heal from it, as shown in X2 he was completely fine after a few minutes. All Wolverine needs is one good hit and Ock is done. Ock can't take damage the way Wolverine can, nowhere near.

It is likely assumed a Knock Out counts as a win in this fight.

Originally posted by Placidity
It is likely assumed a Knock Out counts as a win in this fight.

I still think Wolverine could make short work of Ocks arms. We're talking about a guy who took down a Sentinel by himself. Not an easy feat. Could Ock take a Sentinel single-handed? I doubt it.

He managed to take out the Sentinel by having Collosus throw him at its head. I don't see how that has any bearing on his fight with Octavius.

Of course it does, Sentinels are tougher than Ock. If Wolverine can take a 100ft tall super-robot DESIGNED to kill mutants, he can take a middle aged scientist with robotic arms. My point was more towards demonstrating his prowess against robotic opponents, rather than a direct comparison.

Originally posted by Makashidude
Of course it does, Sentinels are tougher than Ock. If Wolverine can take a 100ft tall super-robot DESIGNED to kill mutants, he can take a middle aged scientist with robotic arms. My point was more towards demonstrating his prowess against robotic opponents, rather than a direct comparison.

Yeah ok, a Sentinel is tougher than Magneto. Therefore Wolverine can beat Magneto.

You win!

Those arms of Ock were no joke they were tough as hell

Logan ain't cutting no arms apart unless they just hover there and do nothing.
They're instinctual and quick enough to constantly tag Spidey. Durable enough to withstand the heat of the Sun. Strong enough to tear a bank vault door out of a wall.
Logan can't sneak up on Doc Ock either for he can see through the tentacles at all angles.

Ock uses two tentacles to grab Logan's wrists.
Lifts him up into the air.
Beats his head in with one tentacle.
And rips the flesh off his bones with the rest.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Logan ain't cutting no arms apart unless they just hover there and do nothing.
They're instinctual and quick enough to constantly tag Spidey. Durable enough to withstand the heat of the Sun. Strong enough to tear a bank vault door out of a wall.
Logan can't sneak up on Doc Ock either for he can see through the tentacles at all angles.

Ock uses two tentacles to grab Logan's wrists.
Lifts him up into the air.
Beats his head in with one tentacle.
And rips the flesh off his bones with the rest.

.....But not adamantium. Adamantium is the toughest metal in the Marvel Universe. Therefore Wolverines claws are strong enough to cut through Ocks arms. I did not say he was fast enough to do that, i was comparing durability, in which Wolverine has a distinct advantage.
And as for the guy who thinks a sentinel can beat magneto...lol. Your simplistic sarcasm does not change the FACT that Wolverine beat a Sentinel. Nor does it change the FACT that Adamantium > Whatever material Ocks arms are made of.

My point was if Doc Ock just held his tentacles out and said "Logan go for it" sure he would rip them up.

But the arms are fast and bend and act through instinct. While Logan slashes at one more will simply grab his arms or legs.
The guy tagged Spidey multiple times. A guy with insane agility and slow motion time ability. He can tag movie Wolverine.

I don't know if Wolvie can cut the arms. Those were the things that were holding a miniture-sun with no problem.

But Wolvie being able to cut through Ocks arms are the only way he has a chance in this fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't know if Wolvie can cut the arms. Those were the things that were holding a miniture-sun with no problem.

But Wolvie being able to cut through Ocks arms are the only way he has a chance in this fight.

Wolverine won't be able to cut the arms. He's not strong enough.

I don't think I've seen him fail to cut through something other than adamantium.

As I stated Doc's arms are too fast, instinctual and durable to get seriously damaged.

Logan doesn't have the speed feats he has in the comics. Nor the strength and damage soak.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think I've seen him fail to cut through something other than adamantium.

Indeed. He cut through those blast doors, which appeared to be between 8 inches to an entire foot.

He cut through them like butter. Best we can say...that was industrial strength steel. So a really durable material...but not epic.

I would say the Doc's arms are made out of a more durable material (in the movies)....probably a tungston alloy because it has to resist the heat form his "mini-sun"...but it is just not dark enough to be tungsten.

But, that's what I'll go with.

I do not think Wolverine will easily cut through those arms...but he will be able to put "dinks" in them fairly easily. He should be able to cut through them, eventually.

That said....is his damage soak enough to contend with the Ock before a knockout? I don't know. Is his speed good enough? I don't know.

Going by feats...Doc Ock is near impossible to knock out (lol).

I need to see more...

Originally posted by the ninjak
Phoenix just burnt off scraps of flesh, she could've exploded the flesh on his body apart and she had psychological ties.

No, we went over this in another thread.

The video shows her going all out against Wolverine...full-on rage blasting Wolverine with everything she had.

So it's either PIS (yes) or Wolverine's healing factor coupled with his skeleton could withstand Phoenix (the correct interpretation).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed. He cut through those blast doors, which appeared to be between 8 inches to an entire foot.
He cut through them like butter. Best we can say...that was industrial strength steel. So a really durable material...but not epic.
I would say the Doc's arms are made out of a more durable material (in the movies)....probably a tungston alloy because it has to resist the heat form his "mini-sun"...but it is just not dark enough to be tungsten.
I do not think Wolverine will easily cut through those arms...but he will be able to put "dinks" in them fairly easily. He should be able to cut through them, eventually.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That said....is his damage soak enough to contend with the Ock before a knockout? I don't know. Is his speed good enough? I don't know.
Going by feats...Doc Ock is near impossible to knock out (lol).

Spiderman has insane strength feats including snapping a thugs arm like a small twig and stopping a train with webbing.

His Superhero code made him hold back on those punches on Doc Ock. Simple as that. The guy was a respected friend and scientist who went mad. It must be hard for someone with Parker's abilities holding back his punches enough to ensure he doesn't flat out kill them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, we went over this in another thread.
The video shows her going all out against Wolverine...full-on rage blasting Wolverine with everything she had.
So it's either PIS (yes) or Wolverine's healing factor coupled with his skeleton could withstand Phoenix (the correct interpretation).

Phoenix definitely didn't turn Logan's entire flesh to dust.
Like she did to Xavier.
She slapped heat waves at certain parts of his body. It's obvious.
She had the mental strength to tear a metal door in the Xmansion's basement.
She could've flown Logan like a ragdoll, or blasted ALL the flesh of his body.

Jean most definitely didn't go all out on Logan at the end of X3.

I believe the whole point of the scene was similar to the comics. Only Logan could get through to Jean while she was in Dark Phoenix mode.

And she let him kill her.

Doc Ock takes this fight with ease.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, we went over this in another thread.

The video shows her going all out against Wolverine...full-on rage blasting Wolverine with everything she had.

Un-****ing believable. We did go over it, to the point where it was proven she wasn't going anywhere near full power. You couldn't provide any counter arguments by the end of that debate, and here you are now again, saying it shows her going "all out", lol.

Originally posted by Placidity
Un-****ing believable. We did go over it, to the point where it was proven she wasn't going anywhere near full power. You couldn't provide any counter arguments by the end of that debate, and here you are now again, saying it shows her going "all out", lol.

If it makes you feel better, he does the same thing to me time and time again.

Prove a point of his wrong. Wait. Rehash failed point while claiming a previous victory.

Mutants turned instantly into ash the second they hit her 'turn you to ash' storm, Wolverine only received minor burns by comparison. I know you know this.