Abominationnaut vs WWH & Immortal Hercules

Originally posted by leonidas
the whole colossus thing made things even dumber as regards cyttorak's enchantment. now it seems that even if he is completely and by a large degree overpowered, it STILL doesn't matter and that in the end he would win simply because the enchantment will keep him moving regardless of damage. i see no way hulk and herc could permanently keep him down even though they would be much more powerful as a team than he is. literally, he would run hundreds of mph, seperate them, beat one down--eventually--then finish the other at a later time. the only alternative i see MIGHT be a bfr if the team works together. if they are in a dome though, i don't see how they would be able to put him down and he'd ultimately win via attrition--or him and hulk stalemate for eternity. depends on whether you think hulk's healing factor=cyttorak's enchantment.

juggs is lame imo, and in his own way as un-debateable in a forum setting as a flash is.

i've no reason to think hulk>kuurth, specially with that hammer.... and juggs HAS fought as a skeleton.... hulk's healing is uber. his healing vs jugg's enchantment? i'd take the enchantment, though the battle could likely last years.

You mean besides being a better fighter, tougher, more cunning, faster, far stronger and smarter?

Juggernaut needed help from Spite to regain his mass he certainly didn't do it alone and IIRC he didn't actually fight as a skeleton. Aslong as Cain draws power from the gem he can't die but there's no reason he can't be knocked out.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
You mean besides being a better fighter, tougher, more cunning, faster, far stronger and smarter?

wut? better fighter? toos-up. tougher? toss-up. cunning? maybe, but so? faster? lol? show me hulk running 600+ mph. far stronger? wwh din't seem to be far stronger than juggs in that x-men book. he barely seemed stronger at all. smarter? again, so?

Juggernaut needed help from Spite to regain his mass he certainly didn't do it alone and IIRC he didn't actually fight as a skeleton.

maybe, can't recall, point is he was STILL moving and ready to battle. hulk had to heal first.

Aslong as Cain draws power from the gem he can't die but there's no reason he can't be knocked out. [/B]

then it shouldn't be a problem finding me a scan to prove it. 🙂

smh. hulk was holding back during WWH, he even specifically said so in IH #635

juggernaut would have been on the moon with fin fang foom if he really wanted it. magical momentum be damned (war hulk style)

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Why? Hulk has fought with half a face, holes in his body and almost as a skeleton. Colossus fighting through some broken ribs isn't anything amazing to guys like Hulk and Wolverine. If Kuurth was able to break the new Juggernauts ribs and crack his skull imagine what a pissed Hulk could do.

kuurth was very powerful and really could do NOTHING to stop colossus from pushing him staight back to where he came from. sure he caused colossus pain. the worst pain he has ever felt according to colossus himself. and colossus has been hit by almost everyone including hulk and juggernaut, and has his arms broken etc. so that tells you the power of kuurth.

and yet kuurth was helpless to stop colossus from pushing him right back up the snakes ass!

i think abomination with the gem would wreck these guys.

and i do think colossus is at least 10x as powerful as he was. although now they will no doubt have him jobbing to not make xmen foes laughable.

Team wins

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]wut? better fighter? toos-up. tougher? toss-up. cunning? maybe, but so? faster? lol? show me hulk running 600+ mph. far stronger? wwh din't seem to be far stronger than juggs in that x-men book. he barely seemed stronger at all. smarter? again, so?

maybe, can't recall, point is he was STILL moving and ready to battle. hulk had to heal first.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Colossusnaut had his skull crushed and his ribs broken, I would expect this if it was merely Colossus in his original form fighting Kuurth. In WWH the original Juggernaut stamped on Hulks head and it did virtually nothing, he was bloodied but he took Juggernauts hits with ease and matched him, aswell as stopping his momentum while seriously holding back. Neither Kuurth (after being depowered) nor current Colossus were more impressive than the original.

Hulk one shotted Vector after he was flayed down, Juggernaut had to be saved and couldn't fight afterwards. Being unable to be killed is the one true advantage he has over the Hulk but a KO will suffice.

nothing in that xmen book indicated hulk was clearly beyond juggs or could have done anything save bfr him and nothing in that kuurth fight indicated colossus could be ko'd.

ko'ing vector isn't much of a feat and still waiting for the proof that juggs CAN be ko'd.

healing factor vs enchantment? i'll still take the enchantment.

Originally posted by DickBlazer
kuurth was very powerful and really could do NOTHING to stop colossus from pushing him staight back to where he came from. sure he caused colossus pain. the worst pain he has ever felt according to colossus himself. and colossus has been hit by almost everyone including hulk and juggernaut, and has his arms broken etc. so that tells you the power of kuurth.

and yet kuurth was helpless to stop colossus from pushing him right back up the snakes ass!

i think abomination with the gem would wreck these guys.

and i do think colossus is at least 10x as powerful as he was. although now they will no doubt have him jobbing to not make xmen foes laughable.

Abomination was not much stronger than Colossus before he became the new Juggernaut, it will take a far bigger amp than x10 to have a chance at beating Hulk at his own game. Only a skyfather has achieved it so far.

Originally posted by leonidas
nothing in that xmen book indicated hulk was clearly beyond juggs or could have done anything save bfr him and nothing in that kuurth fight indicated colossus could be ko'd.

ko'ing vector isn't much of a feat and still waiting for the proof that juggs CAN be ko'd.

healing factor vs enchantment? i'll still take the enchantment.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Tony stark is a normal human but he can lift hundreds/thousands of tons while in the suit

So it must boost his strength over a thousand times right?

So if Luke Cage was in the suit He'd be hulk level right?

RIGHT?

RIGHT?

RIGHT?

No. Because it boosts you strength TO a certain amount not BY a certain amount.

I agree with you but this an incorrect analogy. The iron man suit does all the grunt work based on it's energy level and mechanics instead of the human wearing it.

The gem made marko a regular human into a superpowerful hulk level being, now what would it do
to person already at class 100? Collossusnaut showed that it brings you to juggernaut level regardless of where you start. Ths is what worthy hammer did, it brought them to thor level. The juggernaut was different because he still retained his unstoppable powers. Now that Cytorak has taken it away, and from collosus' convo in thethe fight with him, proves that thor is more powerful than them all. ***apologies for spelling, hate autocorrect on my phone.

Abomination with Juggernaut's invulnerability + his own hulk level healing will make it difficult to hurt. Let's say, if you get past the juggernauts invulnerability and break its arm, abominations healing factor will kick in and he will be as good as new right away. Then if you factor in the 1000*strength increase because the thread starter said so, then hulk and Hercules die horribly.

abomination doesn't have hulk's healing factor, not even 1/20 of grey hulk's.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Despite the fact he matched Juggernaut while holding back lol?
So you believe no amount of strength can KO Juggernaut? He was knocked out by Onslaught.

the thread says wwh--that WAS wwh. current hulk would be a lot stronger, but i still don't see him winning without bfr. battle would likely never end.

onslaught.....? 😐

don't think hulk will be reaching in and taking the gem..... fact is, juggs has NEVER been PHYSICALLY ko'd. ever (at least to the best of my knowledge). even the godblast wasn't a threat.

add to that abom's own strength (this amalgam should be somewhat stronger than classic juggs) and i see no way for these 2 to ko him. i DO see it as distinctly possible juggs splits them up, ko's herc (after a long time) then takes hulk and wins after an even LONGER time. how do you assume they can ko him when he has NEVER been ko'd before?

do i think its possible for him to be knocked out. of course. but not by cl100s punching him. it would have been cool to see if dark dimension destroying hulk could do it, alas we didn't see it and i'm not willing to say he could without some proof.

"current hulk" is the same hulk, just minus restraint

Current Hulk is the same Hulk from WWH just no longer holding back.

Onslaught took the gem out AFTER he hurled Juggernaut, he was just simply knocked out. Hulk wrecked Onslaught.

You agree that it's possible for Juggernaut to be knocked out.. ...Prof Hulk had him on his knees and was about to KO him as was War, one punch from WWH also had him rocked, if Hulk stopped holding back it would be a slaughter.

If this is a serious Banner, Abomination would need an amp bigger than 1000.

Given that the both onslaught owning juggernaut twice and hulk nuking him were in the same arc, its clear that hulk was in a totally different calibur at the time.

Next time they tussle is in Wwh and at best juggernaut is a peer to a holding back, uncaring hulk lol.

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In WWH that's pretty much all your gonna get from Juggernaut, whereas we've seen the kind of damage Hulk can do if he decides the gloves are off.