galactus vs arishem (celestial)

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
We saw an adult franklin of sorts in psi-lord, who imo wasn't that impressive, but it's true they'll have to confront franklin's powers at some point in the future. Hickman already planted the seed of this story with galactus telling reed that they have to have words about franklin but that's been put on hold for at least several months.

The problem with potential though is it doesn't always get fully explored. Hyperstorm in theory should surpass franklin's potential but that was never fully explored either.

So odin would do much better against a celestial than he did against galactus then , maybe even kill one

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
We saw an adult franklin of sorts in psi-lord, who imo wasn't that impressive, but it's true they'll have to confront franklin's powers at some point in the future. Hickman already planted the seed of this story with galactus telling reed that they have to have words about franklin but that's been put on hold for at least several months.

The problem with potential though is it doesn't always get fully explored. Hyperstorm in theory should surpass franklin's potential but that was never fully explored either.

waiting for hickman to expound on galactus fearing a confrontation with franklin

remember franklin was also the avatar

hyperstorm was a letdown

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
So odin would do much better against a celestial than he did against galactus then , maybe even kill one

hell no

asgardians are nothing to the celestials

thor #300 proved that

thor #387-389....thor was an ant to arishem and exitar

Originally posted by guy222
hell no

asgardians are nothing to the celestials

thor #300 proved that

And if anyone says : But that was decades ago, things change; that fight was confirmed in Incredible Hercules 117 (JULY 2008).

Arishem crushes Galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop
And if anyone says : But that was decades ago, things change; that fight was confirmed in Incredible Hercules 117 (JULY 2008).

Arishem crushes Galactus.

No evidence to support that. Don't proffer that skyfather scan because the same tactic can be used with sue storm. in direct struggle against a common foe G outperformed arishem, that's as canon as you're going to get right now in terms of a straight fight between the 2. And since someone (wonder who) once argued that fights>feats...well then.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
No evidence to support that. Don't proffer that skyfather scan because the same tactic can be used with sue storm. in direct struggle against a common foe G outperformed arishem, that's as canon as you're going to get right now in terms of a straight fight between the 2. And since someone (wonder who) once argued that fights>feats...well then.

We don't know what happened to the Celestials or Teneberous during the TI arc, so speculating on that is pointless. We DO know how Galactus had his hands full with Odin while Arishem casually brushed off three elite skyfathers and threaten to cut off their realms from Earth.

And you really want to bring up humiliating losses? Because Galactus has them in spades, the Celestials only have that one Sue Storm incident.

Originally posted by zopzop
We don't know what happened to the Celestials or Teneberous during the TI arc, so speculating on that is pointless. We DO know how Galactus had his hands full with Odin while Arishem casually brushed off three elite skyfathers and threaten to cut off their realms from Earth.

And you really want to bring up humiliating losses? Because Galactus has them in spades, the Celestials only have that one Sue Storm incident.

No one is speculating. They either fled or were overpowered, that's a fact. And it really doesn't matter whether they fled to fight another day or they were overpowered. The point is that the Galactus Engine caused 4 of the 5 to withdraw/be eliminated from the battlefield. So we DO know that Galactus clearly was the last one remaining form a force of 5 that included 4 Celestials, 1 of whom was arishem. You cannot, under any sense of logic, dismiss that as inconclusive just because you don't like what it implies and it undermines your position. 5 attacked. "And then there was 1."

Yes and Galactus was threatening to blow up Asgard with literally a raised fist, what is your point?

Galactus had his hands full in TP. Then he stood there while Odin took himself out of the fight. I hardly call that reason for celebrating as Galactus literally did what ziran did when the destroyer cut off his arm. He reformed.

Who said anything about low showings? Already in a defensive mentality are you? I brought up sue storm since that's the exact logic you're using concerning the skyfathers. Party A attacks party B. Party A attacks party C. You label it as a low showing because i supplied evidence that uses your exact logic, except you don't like the implications of that logic.

And you really don't yet understand that while Galactus has far more showings than the Celestials, most of his low showings are attributable to his hunger. Deal with it. He's not hungry in this battle. And let me know when you stop and think about the other side of the coin. Tell me what Arishem has done on his own. Who has he fought on Galactus' level?

The Celestials have returned

Whether they fled or 'destroyed' lends credence to Tiamut's words that Celestials cannot b destroyed and that's awesome

Marvel tends to portray Galactus as his hunger wanes he's less powerful, yet they job him alot. I b the first to admit Celestials have been jobbed as well with the whole Richards chasing alternate Celestials away with a raygun yet in 616 continuity Richards did **** when Tiamut put his ass and Earth to sleep

For a comparsion between Galactus and Arishem is Fraction's nonsense and Thor #300

The Celestials are enigmas and the mystery is the legend which has keep them around for years

Remember, Kirby made them more powerful than Galactus and the Watchers

IMO, u can't get any better when I say preference is the key in deciding who u like or want to win between the two

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
No one is speculating. They either fled or were overpowered, that's a fact. And it really doesn't matter whether they fled to fight another day or they were overpowered. The point is that the Galactus Engine caused 4 of the 5 to withdraw/be eliminated from the battlefield. So we DO know that Galactus clearly was the last one remaining form a force of 5 that included 4 Celestials, 1 of whom was arishem. You cannot, under any sense of logic, dismiss that as inconclusive just because you don't like what it implies and it undermines your position. 5 attacked. "And then there was 1."

Yes and Galactus was threatening to blow up Asgard with literally a raised fist, what is your point?

Galactus had his hands full in TP. Then he stood there while Odin took himself out of the fight. I hardly call that reason for celebrating as Galactus literally did what ziran did when the destroyer cut off his arm. He reformed.

Who said anything about low showings? Already in a defensive mentality are you? I brought up sue storm since that's the exact logic you're using concerning the skyfathers. Party A attacks party B. Party A attacks party C. You label it as a low showing because i supplied evidence that uses your exact logic, except you don't like the implications of that logic.

And you really don't yet understand that while Galactus has far more showings than the Celestials, most of his low showings are attributable to his hunger. Deal with it. He's not hungry in this battle. And let me know when you stop and think about the other side of the coin. Tell me what Arishem has done on his own. Who has he fought on Galactus' level?

Galactus was shattered in his battle with Odin but put himself back together, Arishem was UNFAZED by the combined might of three skyfathers. See the difference?

Notice how Galactus didn't press his attack once Odin with the Destroyer showed up. A Destroyer with Odin and ALL Asgard wielding the Odinsword couldn't do jack to a Celestial, even after unleashing the Destroyer's "ultimate attack", it was CASUALLY deflected by a raised hand.

And who is getting defensive? That low showing of : exploiting a specific weakness to get INSIDE a Celestial then using the same exploit to knock out it's "nerve center" is so rare how many times has it happened? Like Tiamut said, you can't permanently kill a Celestial, unlike Galactus that had to have his @$$ rezzed by Franklin and Valeria. If you want to start using that Sue Storm fiasco as a cudgel against the Celestials, I can post scan after scan of Galactus humiliation. Trust me, you'd lose that battle.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus was shattered in his battle with Odin but put himself back together, Arishem was UNFAZED by the combined might of three skyfathers. See the difference?

Notice how Galactus didn't press his attack once Odin with the Destroyer showed up. A Destroyer with Odin and ALL Asgard wielding the Odinsword couldn't do jack to a Celestial, even after unleashing the Destroyer's "ultimate attack", it was CASUALLY deflected by a raised hand.

And who is getting defensive? That low showing of : exploiting a specific weakness to get INSIDE a Celestial then using the same exploit to knock out it's "nerve center" is so rare how many times has it happened? Like Tiamut said, you can't permanently kill a Celestial, unlike Galactus that had to have his @$$ rezzed by Franklin and Valeria. If you want to start using that Sue Storm fiasco as a cudgel against the Celestials, I can post scan after scan of Galactus humiliation. Trust me, you'd lose that battle.

Dude, get this through your head. Sue storm attacked exitar and her attack worked. Sue storm attacked Galactus and it didn't do anything. I don't care whether you lose sleep because you label it a low showing or whatever, the point is that you can pick scans that show celestials being unaffected by the same party that attacks galactus, while i can show galactus being unfazed by the same party that made exitar shatter. Do you understand? I can use the same logic which is my entire point in that your comparisons are secondary when Galactus and arishem were directly compared against a common foe.

Tiamut is also the equal of the fulcrum, yet the x-men are going to mess around with him in an upcoming arc. Tiamut also seems to be unaware of Knowhere, so the writings of one person are contradicted by the writings of another.

Please don't bore the forum with your vendetta against G. When you throw up scans of his low showings when he's not hungry, good for you, maybe you'll get a cookie from some other odin fan. Until then, you just tend to back the losing side in these debates. Didn't you make some sig bet with someone?

To be fair, the only reason Sue's attacks worked on Exitar is because her powers are derived from Hyperspace--and apparently, Hyperspace energies are the equivalent of Celestial Kryptonite.

That 'weakness' doesn't apply to the Arishem/Galactus fight at hand, whatsoever.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus was shattered in his battle with Odin but put himself back together, Arishem was UNFAZED by the combined might of three skyfathers. See the difference?

Notice how Galactus didn't press his attack once Odin with the Destroyer showed up. A Destroyer with Odin and ALL Asgard wielding the Odinsword couldn't do jack to a Celestial, even after unleashing the Destroyer's "ultimate attack", it was CASUALLY deflected by a raised hand.

And who is getting defensive? That low showing of : exploiting a specific weakness to get INSIDE a Celestial then using the same exploit to knock out it's "nerve center" is so rare how many times has it happened? Like Tiamut said, you can't permanently kill a Celestial, unlike Galactus that had to have his @$$ rezzed by Franklin and Valeria. If you want to start using that Sue Storm fiasco as a cudgel against the Celestials, I can post scan after scan of Galactus humiliation. Trust me, you'd lose that battle.

Galactus didn't press the attack because the Seed was gone. Since you obviously contest that, tell me why Galactus would destroy Asgard out of spite? When has he EVER destroyed or persecuted an enemy when his primary objective was no longer attainable? Are you going to to continue to misinterpret the story to see it as you want? how many interpretations did you make in issue 5 that issue 6 proved false

DnA never said what happened to Knowhere

Another dropping of the ball

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
your gay in real life

It's always a good idea to finish your sentences.

I don't have a gay, but if I did, I'd certainly keep it away from you, you giant faerie.

barksfu

Galactus can feed off hyperspace energy. Arishem is made of hyperspace energy.

The pimp hand is strong. Celestials know fear.

Galactus ftw.

Originally posted by Galan007
To be fair, the only reason Sue's attacks worked on Exitar is because her powers are derived from Hyperspace--and apparently, Hyperspace energies are the equivalent of Celestial Kryptonite.

That 'weakness' doesn't apply to the Arishem/Galactus fight at hand, whatsoever.

Galactus absorbs hyperspace energy, so yes I could easily argue that it does apply.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Galactus absorbs hyperspace energy, so yes I could easily argue that it does apply.

Too bad the hyperspace foolishness hasn't been babbled about again

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It's a nice debate as was the other times, I was involved with Utrigita and Tenebrous(PC11)

I have no qualms with anyone favoring Big G. I imagine my views as the Celestials are above Big G are respected as well

sorry excuse my ignorance has galactus ever been at full power and hence consumed an entire planet?

Originally posted by guy222
Too bad the hyperspace foolishness hasn't been babbled about again

😛

It's a nice debate as was the other times, I was involved with Utrigita and Tenebrous(PC11)

I have no qualms with anyone favoring Big G. I imagine my views as the Celestials are above Big G are respected as well

the hyperspace foolishness is akin to other foolishness that has happened (rulk punching out uatu, thanos getting arrested, black panther arm-bar, etc.) yet, it's there.