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Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Astner
I'll start. Swinging on a swing, listening to music and singing along.

lol, I kinda see what dadudemon is saying...

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Bardock42
lol, I kinda see what dadudemon is saying...

That I'm the only one on this board with the balls to openly talk about my guilty pleasures and not give a flying **** about what you think about it?

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Astner
That I'm the only one on this board with the balls to openly talk about my guilty pleasures and not give a flying **** about what you think about it?

lol, no, the opposite.

"My only fault is that I love my country too much"

I see your point though and will try to answer as best I can, though I don't think I have a guilty pleasure, as I do not feel guilty about any of my pleasures, so instead I will give things that don't necessarily fit into the traits I most value in a person or that other people might think lessens my standing intellectually or in other ways:

I very often enjoy reality TV shows, foremost Jersey Shore, but also others like Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares or Wife Swap. I also enjoyed the shows "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and "The Powerpuff Girls" which people may consider too feminine. I enjoy "mindless" action movies or stupid comedies at times as well. And I can get into repetitive and non-artistic games and spend a lot of time on them. I also like to sing along to music, but I don't think anyone in their right mind in this world would consider that a guilty pleasure. Oh and I really like masturbation, it's good, man!

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My guilty pleasure is sexting with Bardock. 😐😐😐

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Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Thoren
My guilty pleasure is sexting with Bardock. 😐😐😐
😖hifty:

That's one of my most innocent pleasures.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Bardock42
lol, no, the opposite.

You didn't explain exactly what you meant and why in the post I'm replying to.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I see your point though and will try to answer as best I can, though I don't think I have a guilty pleasure, as I do not feel guilty about any of my pleasures, so instead I will give things that don't necessarily fit into the traits I most value in a person or that other people might think lessens my standing intellectually or in other ways:
I very often enjoy reality TV shows, foremost Jersey Shore, but also others like Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares or Wife Swap. I also enjoyed the shows "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and "The Powerpuff Girls" which people may consider too feminine. I enjoy "mindless" action movies or stupid comedies at times as well. And I can get into repetitive and non-artistic games and spend a lot of time on them. I also like to sing along to music, but I don't think anyone in their right mind in this world would consider that a guilty pleasure. Oh and I really like masturbation, it's good, man!

Guilt is a natural response to when you do something that you consider to go against the cultural norm in front of others, among other things less relevant to this argument. In other words it's a direct reflection of your social outlook. So when you say that you don't have any guilty pleasures you're saying that you don't believe that anything you enjoy doing makes you look awkward. As for your "guilty pleasures", these seem to be done behind locked doors and wouldn't normally be considered guilty pleasures. Compare it to holding a speech, it's not as taxing on the nerves when you do it in front of a mirror as doing it in front of a live audience.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Astner
You didn't explain exactly what you meant and why in the post I'm replying to.
Guilt is a natural response to when you do something that you consider to go against the cultural norm in front of others, among other things less relevant to this argument. In other words it's a direct reflection of your social outlook. So when you say that you don't have any guilty pleasures you're saying that you don't believe that anything you enjoy doing makes you look awkward. As for your "guilty pleasures", these seem to be done behind locked doors and wouldn't normally be considered guilty pleasures. Compare it to holding a speech, it's not as taxing on the nerves when you do it in front of a mirror as doing it in front of a live audience.

You completely misunderstand the term "guilty pleasure". Guilty pleasures are things that you don't talk about that you try to hide, as you fear discovery of your "pleasure" will lower people's opinion of you based usually on the lack of intellectual or artistic merit it has.

Neither singing along to music nor swinging on swings do qualify to that usually, as no one would judge you negatively for either.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Bardock42
You completely misunderstand the term "guilty pleasure". Guilty pleasures are things that you don't talk about that you try to hide, as you fear discovery of your "pleasure" will lower people's opinion of you based usually on the lack of intellectual or artistic merit it has.

You ignored my post. It doesn't have as much to do with intellectual or artistic standards as much as it has to do with fear of diverging from the norm. For instance. Most people wouldn't question the intellectual or artistic standard of a renown scientist or artist because he enjoys wearing women's clothing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Neither singing along to music nor swinging on swings do qualify to that usually, as no one would judge you negatively for either.

You misunderstand, I swing on swings and sing, at the same time and yes it does come across as peculiar and abnormal, especially for a grown man like myself.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Astner
You ignored my post. It doesn't have much to do with intellectual or artistic standards as much as it has to do with fear of diverging from the norm. For instance. Most people wouldn't question the intellectual or artistic standard of a renown scientist or artist because he enjoys wearing women's clothing.
You misunderstand, I swing on swings and sing, at the same time and yes it does come across as peculiar and abnormal, especially for a grown man like myself.

I did not ignore your post. I explained to you what guilty pleasure actually means. You are wrong about it. Guilty pleasures has nothing to do with the norm, it has to do with perceived intellectual and artistic merit or the lack thereof.

Here is the definition from wikipedia:

"A guilty pleasure is something one enjoys and considers pleasurable despite feeling guilt for enjoying it. The "guilt" involved is sometimes simply fear of others discovering one's lowbrow or otherwise embarrassing tastes. Fashion, video games, music,[1] movies[2], and junk food can be examples of guilty pleasures.[3]"

You also defined "guilt" incorrectly when you said "Guilt is a natural response to when you do something that you consider to go against the cultural norm in front of others, among other things less relevant to this argument.". Guilt, again, has nothing to do with the norm, it has to do with offenses against moral or legal laws, it also has nothing to about it being in front of others, the feeling of "guilt" is something you have in private, because you feel what you did is wrong. Sure, there is a different meaning of "guilt" which has to do with others finding that you done something wrong, like in a legal court, but that's not what the colloquial use of "guilty pleasure" refers to.

Again, you didn't say "what are peculiar or abnormal things you do" though, you said "what are your guilty pleasures."

With your incorrect definitions of word, communication becomes incredibly hard. What I stated are what people would consider "guilty pleasures", what you said is an eccentricity, a completely different thing.

I am sorry this post kind of exploded, but I had to set your ignorant opinion straight, I hope from here on out we can talk from an understanding of the terms.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
That's one of my most innocent pleasures.

You complete me.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not ignore your post. I explained to you what guilty pleasure actually means. You are wrong about it. Guilty pleasures has nothing to do with the norm, it has to do with perceived intellectual and artistic merit or the lack thereof.
Here is the definition from wikipedia:
"A guilty pleasure is something one enjoys and considers pleasurable despite feeling guilt for enjoying it. The "guilt" involved is sometimes simply fear of others discovering one's lowbrow or otherwise embarrassing tastes. Fashion, video games, music,[1] movies[2], and junk food can be examples of guilty pleasures.[3]"

Actually, that has everything to do with one's perception of the norm. Of course you'd turn to a short article probably written and edited by a single individual, but if you were to examine more sources you'd find that it aligns better with how I defined it, for instance.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You also defined "guilt" incorrectly when you said "Guilt is a natural response to when you do something that you consider to go against the cultural norm in front of others, among other things less relevant to this argument.". Guilt, again, has nothing to do with the norm, it has to do with offenses against moral or legal laws, it also has nothing to about it being in front of others, the feeling of "guilt" is something you have in private, because you feel what you did is wrong. Sure, there is a different meaning of "guilt" which has to do with others finding that you done something wrong, like in a legal court, but that's not what the colloquial use of "guilty pleasure" refers to.

You sure do enjoy cherry-picking certain segments while ignoring others. First and foremost moral and legal standards are associated with the norm. There are few--if any--immoral or illegal decisions that are considered normal. Secondly, I did not associate it to an absolute standard, hence the part "that you consider to go against the cultural norm" and finally, I ended it with "among other things less relevant to the argument" hinting that the definition was by no means complete. However, for all intents and purposes it was correct.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, you didn't say "what are peculiar or abnormal things you do" though, you said "what are your guilty pleasures."

Because peculiar and abnormal habits doesn't necessarily make you feel guilty. Furthermore, what's peculiar and abnormal is a subjective standard at that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
With your incorrect definitions of word, communication becomes incredibly hard. What I stated are what people would consider "guilty pleasures", what you said is an eccentricity, a completely different thing.

Once again, the definitions used aren't incorrect by any means. They might be vague, but not as ambiguous as you'd like people to believe.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am sorry this post kind of exploded, but I had to set your ignorant opinion straight, I hope from here on out we can talk from an understanding of the terms.

As long as you don't go out on an logical fallacy outbreak, distorting and cherry-picking incomplete segments of my replies there should be no problems.

Bardock42 Junior Member

lol, the thing you linked completely agrees with me. I'm not looking to argue with you, but a guilty pleasure is exactly what I said, and my examples are what fits most closely to this correct definiton, while what you said has nothing to do with guilty pleasures and has everything to do with abnormal or eccentric behaviour. You may feel guilty about it, and if you do, I feel bad for you, you shouldn't, but it is not what fits the term "guilty pleasure", even though it is a pleasure for you, that you feel guilty about.

That's it for me for this argument though.

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Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Bardock42
lol, the thing you linked completely agrees with me. I'm not looking to argue with you, but a guilty pleasure is exactly what I said, and my examples are what fits most closely to this correct definiton, while what you said has nothing to do with guilty pleasures and has everything to do with abnormal or eccentric behaviour.

So you're saying that you're right, but that you're not willing to argue? You don't think that seems a bit hypocritical or at the very least narrow minded? Let me explain why the definition used in the link aligns better with mine than it does with yours. There's no reference to intellectual or artistic standards, this applies to the wikipedia.org link you provided as well. More importantly, the definition used mentions the matter of personal perception just like my definition did and just like your definition didn't. Finally, my definition wasn't intended to be absolute but rather to address the situation, whereas yours was intended to be absolute.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You may feel guilty about it, and if you do, I feel bad for you, you shouldn't

Your mother was wrong, you should care about what other people think of you. If you're acting socially awkward then people will feel uncomfortable being around you. Only a self-centered prick and an attention-whore would wear a Powerpuff Girls t-shirt in public as an adult male.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's it for me for this argument though.

Concession accepted.