Matrix Merlyn was in hiding went Necrom was going wild and had to manipulate Excalibur to do his bidding. I don't get what's so great about him.
Edifice Rex I have no clue about.
Chaos King, for all his shenanigans only took out Skyfather level beings and below. Impressive still but....
MJJ was an omniversal threat, they had to destroy an entire universe just to off one of his weaker alternate reality selves. Having said that, he had some stupid weakness about needing matter to manipulate or his powers wouldn't work. I can see someone on this list exploiting that and beating him. For example, lowly Aaron the Rogue Watcher, trapped Molecule Man in a field that had ZERO molecules to manipulate and beat him. MJJ's opponents on this list > a Watcher.
The Goblin Force is something else entirely. It comes from the Mutant X universe so all it's feats and existence are by definition non canon (however it WAS mentioned in Marvel : Tarot as the Elemental Force associated with Water, running opposite to the Phoenix Force that associated with Fire and Marvel : Tarot is canon so at least it's existence is canon). In the Mutant X reality, the GF was described as devouring entire galaxies, it killed and ate the Phoenix Force, it killed Galactus, it ran into the 5th host of Celestials and they managed to imprison it but not before it devastated their ENTIRE RACE. It broke free from it's imprisonment, resurrected, possessed and later consumed the body/power of the Beyonder. Then it went one on one vs Havok who had the power of the Nexus of All Realities within him. It lost, obviously, but it put up a little bit of a fight before going down.
I don't know powerful Edifice Rex is so for now I'm going to say Goblin Force wins
Chaos King doesn't belong in the same sentence as the others. That entire Chaos War arc should be retconned.
Originally posted by zopzop
The Goblin Force is something else entirely. It comes from the Mutant X universe so all it's feats and existence are by definition non canon (however it WAS mentioned in Marvel : Tarot as the Elemental Force associated with Water, running opposite to the Phoenix Force that associated with Fire and Marvel : Tarot is canon so at least it's existence is canon). In the Mutant X reality, the GF was described as devouring entire galaxies, it killed and ate the Phoenix Force, it killed Galactus, it ran into the 5th host of Celestials and they managed to imprison it but not before it devastated their [b]ENTIRE RACE. It broke free from it's imprisonment, resurrected, possessed and later consumed the body/power of the Beyonder. Then it went one on one vs Havok who had the power of the Nexus of All Realities within him. It lost, obviously, but it put up a little bit of a fight before going down.I don't know powerful Edifice Rex is so for now I'm going to say Goblin Force wins [/B]
Goblin Force never killed Galactus. 🙄
Originally posted by zopzop
OMG......chair
The smileys are cute. But don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
There are only two ways to look at this:
1) You can believe that the Goblin Force was devouring things in the prime reality, in which case there would be no other way to look at Galactus falling to its power as anything other than getting "severely beaten". Because if Galactus had actually died, Abraxas would have arisen and that never happened.
or
2) You can believe that the Galactus shown on the panel was actually dead, meaning that it was merely an alternate reality version of Galactus and that the Goblin Force was merely an alternate reality manifestation.
If you believe #2, well Goblin Force is clearly not all that impressive.
Originally posted by CortSether
The smileys are cute. But don't you ever get tired of being wrong?There are only two ways to look at this:
1) You can believe that the Goblin Force was devouring things in the prime reality, in which case there would be no other way to look at Galactus falling to its power as anything other than getting "severely beaten". Because if Galactus had actually died, Abraxas would have arisen and that never happened.
or
2) You can believe that the Galactus shown on the panel was actually dead, meaning that it was merely an alternate reality version of Galactus and that the Goblin Force was merely an alternate reality manifestation.
If you believe #2, well Goblin Force is clearly not all that impressive.
Originally posted by CortSether
I'm still waiting for proof that 616 Galactus was killed by the Goblin Force. 😖leep:
If you read the comic you would know that it was Mutant X's version of Galactus that was defeated, destroyed or whatever by the Goblin Entity. Mutant X is non-canon to 616 so if their version of Galactus was destroyed Abraxas wouldn't be unleashed. Even though non-canon killing the embodiment of the Phoenix Force and stacking it's powers on its own and only being stopped by the entire race of Celestials which eventually died from the conflict but still only managing to contain and diminish the Goblin Entity's power is still impressive for the Goblin Entity.
